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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening peter black

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bespoke radio

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for

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masses

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that's right how you doing

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today's tuesday april 16th

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2019 106 days into the new year

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that's right

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and we are live

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live from a bunker somewhere in the

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middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california and i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and to and fro back and forth up

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and down east and west north and south

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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and kgra the planet i am your host jimmy

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church what is cracking everybody how

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how are you doing i mean that's the

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i can't believe it brand new chair

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you saw that right

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that's right

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let's get the show cracking it's going

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to be a great evening tonight bruce

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fenton is here

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live from wales over in the uk

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and we're going to be talking about one

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of my most favorite subjects

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our human origins our true origins

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and human hybrids or hybrid humans

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you say tomato i say tomato

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right and the alien connection we're

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going to be doing all of that tonight

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with bruce

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and uh talking about the science behind

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all of this too as well and i love it

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we have a show like this and i i i just

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bottom of the hour and then tomorrow

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psychic and medium karen reese is here

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for the first time so we have

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two first-time guests

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on fade to black this week that's the

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only way to go right and also tomorrow

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night with karen we will be taking your

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so get ready for that tomorrow night you

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one question with karen if you try to

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who's gonna get hung up on tomorrow you

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that's it boom gonna love it i don't

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tomorrow night take one

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take one for the team take one for the

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fader or not say i've got one more

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all right that's tomorrow night karen

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reese i cannot wait for that's going to

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be amazing and then thursday nights

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another fader night open lines all night

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church or fade to black it's all easy to

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do you can follow like and subscribe

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where you i i did i hung up on susie q i

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hashtag f2b is the sandbox hashtag

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is fade to black questions ziggy just

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these in single single single because

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these are hss these are humbuckers

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single single i need to get them in

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single single single oh man and they got

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is that possible can i get it in a maple

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those things are really cool i thought

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that i thought when i first looked i

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until i clicked on the picture pretty

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cool thank you for that ziggy you can

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also email throughout the show jimmy at

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jimmychurchradio.com got lots of

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breaking news let's get straight to it

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is announced today

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prosecutors plan to seek up to 10 months

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huffman was among 13 parents who agreed

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to plead guilty last week to a charge of

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conspiracy to commit fraud a total of 33

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parents have been accused of using their

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wealth to cheat on standardized tests

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for their children and bribe college

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can you see felicity in jail

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felicity with the tin cup on the bars

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can you can he's picture

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felicity i bet you she she better start

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the the the story

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is prosecutors are seeking between four

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largely intact uh to this is according

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underway to identify the precise reason

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very interesting so i'll keep you posted

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if anything uh breaks during the show

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tonight now

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excuse me

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pepsi

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with a company called start rocket to

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this is the deal flying a set of small

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in formation reflecting sunlight with

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how trippy is that however there's

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however pepsico's headquarters here in

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the united states said nope

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ah there you go billboards in space not

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quite yet we were close well

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more julian assange news today because

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he will not face the death penalty in

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the united states when he is extradited

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now listen to this the death penalty

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okay so check this out the us reportedly

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gave this assurance to ecuador during

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back channel negotiations to finally

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evict the activists from the london

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embassy and face the legal process

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it's because ecuador opposes the death

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penalty and it wanted an explicit

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assurance

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from the united states that assange

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would be spared from capital punishment

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if extradited

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crazy isn't it think about that

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they were talking about five years you

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and that's even if he's convicted and

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they you know

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and now

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what what is it

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that they are ultimately going to charge

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assange with once he gets here think

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about that for a second

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pretty crazy isn't it

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all right in the biggest news of the day

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now this i need you to sit and listen

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word for word

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all right are you sitting are you

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listening did you move a little closer

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you should

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liquid blood

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has been found inside a prehistoric 42

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000 year old foal

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do i need to say that again

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liquid blood

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it was preserved in a liquid state for

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42 000 years

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thanks to favorable burial conditions

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and permafrost in yakuza

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russia

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literally it is the best preserved ice

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age animal ever found in the world ever

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42 000 year old

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liquid blood

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think about that forget about jurassic

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park

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42 000 year old liquid blood

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wow

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amazing

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we're gonna see we're gonna see forty

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cracking got a lot to do tonight

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happy birthday to today

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john cryer

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is 54 years old now this is the deal

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with john

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pretty in pink right okay all right

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pretty much stops and starts right there

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for anybody when it comes to john cryer

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pretty in pink 1986 one of the great

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movies of all time right okay we agree

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on that

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and then it was almost 20 years of

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nothingness

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for john until two and a half men in

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2003 17 almost 18 years later

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that's right 2003 all the way to 2015.

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unbelievable happy birthday john all

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right now our dead guy's birthday today

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is the one and only

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wilbur wright

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1867 and 1912 died at the age of 45.

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co-inventor co-pilot pilot of the first

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flight right

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the first successful airplane the kitty

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hawk

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which he called a flying machine

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wilbur

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became ill on a business trip to boston

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in april

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1912 right nine years after 1903

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historic flight just nine years that's

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it

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right the illness was attributed to

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him eating bad shellfish at a banquet

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some things you can't make up

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well he died

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a month later at the family home in

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dayton ohio on may 30th unbelievable but

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i hope he's listening happy birthday

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wilbur wright on this day in history otd

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2007

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32 people died after being gunned down

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on the campus of virginia tech by sung

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hui cho a student at the college who

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later that day committed suicide

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better fact

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okay here you go you know

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we love australia here we love canada we

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love the uk we love europe central and

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south america all of our listeners

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around the world even in dubai right

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we love everybody but australia

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australia and fade to black they just go

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together they do like tacos in tuesday

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oh that's right it's tuesday

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so check this out here's a fader fact

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for everybody down under

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australia

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is home to the largest number of

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venomone snakes in the world

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that's not the fader fact

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the fader fact is

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it only averages

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one fatal snake bite

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how does that happen

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you gotta love it

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00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:19,600
australia tonight bruce fenton is with

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us we're gonna be talking about our

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origins all of us

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and human hybrids or hybrid humans

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whichever way you want to go with this

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tomorrow night psychic medium karen

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reese is here and we will be taking your

439
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phone calls thursday night is another

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fader night with open lines all night

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long

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now let's get to it

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the missing link

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we've all heard this term

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since our earliest years if you think

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about

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you at your youngest i don't care how

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old you are

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think about you at your youngest

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think about those conversations the

451
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things that you saw on tv one of the

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is where is the missing link the missing

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link the missing link where is it right

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we're so familiar with the term

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but modern academics today

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tend to dismiss it

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they do

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and i think it's one of the most

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important subjects that still needs to

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be discussed i'm not going to let it go

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but

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they won't talk about it because they're

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scared

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they are they don't want to talk about

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listen you you can't just say that

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because we humans today modern humans us

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in the now now humans

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come from anything that has walked on

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two legs in the past and that's what

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they are going to say

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they're gonna say hey look okay well the

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missing link that you're talking about

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is

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in academics us professionals that you

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trust us to study

476
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we know about dna we know about uh

477
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heritage we know where lucy

478
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uh came from we know how lucy is

479
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connected all the way through us

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we know this we don't need the missing

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link

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now

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it's a failed argument

484
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it's like saying that you know us and

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lucy or anything else that walks on two

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legs any other primates anything else

487
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is the same because we humans walk on

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two legs and so do they so therefore

489
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we came from them

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and

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they are wrong

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00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:05,520
it's like saying that dogs cats lions

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horses camels elephants giraffes

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are all the same

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and they must have evolved from the same

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four-legged creature because

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they all walk on four legs

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00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,919
and clearly

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they are not evolved from

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well you know what i don't even know

501
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,080
but it's the exact same argument

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00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,799
you need to stop and think about what i

503
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am saying

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you know it's it's so simple

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a

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therefore

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no

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it doesn't work that way

509
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we humans

510
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no matter how you slice it

511
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we just appeared

512
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like magic

513
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,640
we just appeared

514
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now how or why

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i do not know

516
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i don't i i honestly don't know

517
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but when i look at anything else

518
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anything else

519
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,400
i know that we are not like them

520
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,360
our face our nose our chin our skin our

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hair

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our forehead our eyes our nose our brain

523
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our forehead

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all of this and when you think about it

525
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all of this

526
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,909
like that

527
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,950
it doesn't make any sense

528
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what i do know

529
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,640
is there is no

530
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missing link

531
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now we can look at the possibility of

532
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:56,559
certain things evolving

533
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,280
but when i go back and i look at all of

534
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,919
those famous uh

535
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,679
evolutionary

536
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,200
drawings right

537
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,520
the amoeba in the water then the fish

538
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,919
and then it's crawling on land and then

539
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,320
his four leg and then

540
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,440
and then man

541
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:15,679
that you know and i used to look at that

542
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,640
going you know what no i just i just

543
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:20,400
don't agree with that

544
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:24,640
and if you take that idea of evolution

545
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:28,880
darwin's concept of evolution us we us

546
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:31,520
we don't fit in that picture

547
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:34,640
so how did we get here

548
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,159
what happened

549
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,159
the evolutionary process when you look

550
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,480
at neanderthal right

551
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:42,400
and you look at the foreheads you look

552
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,200
at lucy you look at any other

553
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,279
uh skulls

554
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,520
around the world look at the jaws right

555
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,200
forget about the bones in the body you

556
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,600
know we can discuss that forever

557
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,640
but just look at now how to get

558
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,520
a neanderthal skull

559
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,080
to our skull

560
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,960
the shape the size everything else

561
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,200
we're talking about if if it was

562
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:08,720
evolutionary

563
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:11,440
you know a hundred million years

564
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,480
we

565
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:15,679
just appeared here around 150 000 years

566
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:18,880
ago you can stretch it if you want to

567
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,240
200 000 years 200 000 years but before

568
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,240
that there's nothing

569
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,279
nothing no missing link and nothing else

570
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:30,240
to indicate anything evolutionary

571
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,080
that we that arrived up to us

572
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:36,000
it doesn't exist

573
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:40,240
so how do we get here what are our

574
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,120
true

575
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,080
human origins

576
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,159
are we hybrids is there an alien

577
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,720
connection i i simply don't have these

578
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,960
answers but that's why bruce fenton is

579
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:53,120
here tonight we're going to discuss all

580
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,080
of this

581
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,960
theories and science and hopefully

582
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,960
together i'll start to get some of these

583
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,360
answers and so will you

584
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,600
that's the best part of this show

585
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,159
so tonight it's bruce r fenton tomorrow

586
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,799
night right here karen reese is here

587
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:10,480
psychic and medium

588
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:12,880
another first time guest and then of

589
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,360
course thursday night is fader night

590
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,039
with open lines

591
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,279
all night long i am your host jimmy

592
00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:22,159
church this is fade to black you can

593
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:27,669
jimmychurchradio.com follow me on

594
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:29,159
twitter at

595
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,720
jchurchradio

596
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,320
all right we got bruce up there too he's

597
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,080
hanging out in sandbox

598
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,200
already pre-show i'll be right back live

599
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,159
from wales over in the uk our guest

600
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,559
bruce fenn i'm real timmy church this is

601
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faded black and the game changer network

602
00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:46,000
and kgra

603
00:27:05,029 --> 00:26:49,160
the planet i'll be right back stay with

604
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,549
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church tonight bruce r

606
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,120
fenton is here

607
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,520
our human origins

608
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,279
it's going to be a fascinating

609
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:17,200
conversation tomorrow night right here

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00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,559
karen reese

611
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,480
psychic and mediums gonna be here and

612
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,480
taking your phone calls

613
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,559
and of course thursday night is another

614
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fader night with open lines all night

615
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,360
long but tonight is bruce fenton

616
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:31,120
he is the author of the revolutionary

617
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,919
human origins ebook series the forgotten

618
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,039
exodus

619
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,120
he was born in the historic english town

620
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of cheltenham england

621
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,720
graduated from angelia ruskin university

622
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,360
in 2002 having studied information

623
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,600
systems he's a world traveler public

624
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:49,679
speaker his research activities have

625
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,039
featured in uk's telegraph newspaper and

626
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:56,000
on popular science channel shows he is a

627
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:57,720
current member of both the

628
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,039
paleontology society say that and the

629
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,840
scientific and medical network

630
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,520
tonight we're going to discuss the human

631
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:07,520
origins and his book the forgotten

632
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:10,159
exodus the into africa theory of human

633
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:11,279
evolution

634
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,080
and

635
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,880
human hybrids hybrid humans

636
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,760
scientific evidence of our 800 000 year

637
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,080
old alien legacy written by his wife

638
00:28:24,430 --> 00:28:22,399
daniella fenton and you can follow him

639
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,440
on twitter at

640
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,240
hybridhumans144 i would like to welcome

641
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,840
for the first time to fade to black

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00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,320
bruce fenton bruce good evening good

643
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,240
morning to you actually

644
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,320
hi jimmy it's actually a pleasure to be

645
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,919
on thank you so much and yep it's

646
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somewhere somewhere in the early hours

647
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:38,960
here in wales

648
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:41,360
are you drinking coffee or tea

649
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:44,240
i was just having coffee actually yeah

650
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,919
it's not the real deal from you jimmy

651
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:47,440
it's just some cheap coffee from the

652
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:51,200
store hey hey if it works man if it

653
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,399
works

654
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:54,960
um yeah and and good morning to you and

655
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,440
and bruce before we get started

656
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,919
you get the first time guest disclaimer

657
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,919
so let's get that out of the way which

658
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,760
is this bruce it's just you and i

659
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,200
sitting on my couch having a

660
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,360
conversation as friends and where that

661
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,120
conversation starts it starts and where

662
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,200
it ends it ends but we're gonna end his

663
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,279
friends there you go you ready great

664
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,520
stuff yeah all right

665
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,919
you know what's funny is when um i bring

666
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,399
on a first-time guest uh

667
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,000
i have uh you know i'll talk to them

668
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,240
before the show and so hey are you gonna

669
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,320
give me the disclaimer and i'm like oh

670
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:28,399
you listen to the show right it's so

671
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,600
cool i love it i love it and uh now this

672
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,520
is uh going to be one of those shows

673
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:35,600
tonight bruce this is something that uh

674
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,559
i'm very very passionate about as is our

675
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,679
audience

676
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,840
and we have been trying to you know

677
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:44,480
figure this thing out for a very very

678
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,399
long time and i want to ask you directly

679
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,120
as we start to get uh into this

680
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,080
um where did your interest get into this

681
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,960
because you went to school for for is

682
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:58,320
right

683
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,880
yeah it's not it's not a logical jump

684
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,360
really computer systems into human

685
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:05,440
origins no um

686
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,880
i kind of regret that in a way if i'm

687
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,880
honest i wish i had taken you know

688
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,200
genetics or something now in hindsight

689
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:13,600
um but yeah some of the skills

690
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,720
are relevant you know obviously

691
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,720
assessing data you know seeing the the

692
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,320
way the data flows in information

693
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,919
systems some of it is actually useful

694
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:22,240
but no i admit that it was it wasn't

695
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,000
that that drove me to this subject i've

696
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,240
been interested in ancient mysteries the

697
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,240
paranormal all of those you know all of

698
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:29,760
the good stuff since i was about 10

699
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,640
years old i'm 42 now so you know it's

700
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,360
been a fair while uh last 20 years very

701
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,600
seriously you know digging into

702
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,360
all of the mysteries so yeah i'm a

703
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,159
hardened scholar of weirdness if you

704
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,559
would have uh taken archaeology or

705
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,799
anthropology in school you would have

706
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,799
been kicked out you know that right i

707
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,600
mean

708
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,360
yeah it's a career killer to touch these

709
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:53,600
subjects we have because

710
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,480
would you have been argumentative you

711
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:58,960
know starting to ask the questions that

712
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:01,600
certain teachers or professors are are

713
00:31:07,510 --> 00:31:05,200
reticent to answer yeah it's a problem i

714
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,520
would have ended up in arguments and

715
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,919
yeah it you it's a it's drinking from

716
00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:11,200
the poison chalices and i think there

717
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,360
was a an anthropologist that made the

718
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,760
mistake of looking at a bigfoot um you

719
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,799
know print and that that was it he never

720
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,399
managed to get his career off the ground

721
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:22,159
i mean sometimes it can be just one

722
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,600
thing they don't like and they will

723
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,880
destroy you

724
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,799
why is it that

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00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,320
um

726
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:31,360
uh archaeology and anthropology or any

727
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,000
type of professional histori you know

728
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,200
history in academics is about uh should

729
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,279
be about asking questions and seeking

730
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,200
the truth because that's what you're

731
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:42,880
there for you're trying to get these

732
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,880
answers right why do they fight this i

733
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,159
mean that's the part that i don't

734
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,000
understand

735
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,600
yeah it's strange there is an element

736
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,120
there i think of

737
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,200
people going into this at least at the

738
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,640
beginning with the idea that you know

739
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:58,320
they want to understand something new

740
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:59,600
you know they want to understand the

741
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,480
story

742
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:02,000
and at some point they get kind of

743
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:04,159
vibrated into line and that then they

744
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,760
find that what they're actually doing is

745
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,240
reinforcing the existing story you know

746
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,000
and that that becomes

747
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,080
reinforced on them that that's what we

748
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:14,159
do here you know so i don't think anyone

749
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,279
starts off thinking they're going to be

750
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,679
part of of that kind of behavior you

751
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,000
know you wouldn't go into it would you

752
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:21,840
well you would think that that would be

753
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,000
the case and i have always uh my view of

754
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,399
academics has changed over the years

755
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:31,360
but i always thought as everybody else

756
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:35,679
did is that science is about uh and in

757
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,000
history is a is a series of corrections

758
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:41,440
right mm-hmm

759
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,559
if we go back and we think about the way

760
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,159
that they looked at the solar system or

761
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,399
the universe a thousand years ago 2 000

762
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:50,799
years ago 400 years ago

763
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,760
um and that was based on the best

764
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,679
knowledge that they had at that time but

765
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:58,080
it's been corrected and adjusted

766
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,519
same thing with human anatomy right and

767
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,760
all of it it's just a series of

768
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,120
corrections

769
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,600
and modifications it should be the same

770
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,279
approach when it comes to archaeology

771
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,360
and anthropology but they just don't

772
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,120
want to listen or

773
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,919
pursue the possibility of

774
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,840
simple things like panspermia for

775
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:19,200
instance i mean that's

776
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,760
i think it's one of the most uh obvious

777
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,600
solutions to so many

778
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,480
questions

779
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,600
but it's it's it's pseudoscience

780
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:29,360
yeah it's a and pan sperm is a funny one

781
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,640
like you know i do cover that in the

782
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:32,080
book so

783
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,360
just briefly

784
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,120
we could tackle that because you know

785
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:36,960
it's a really strange one because you

786
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,640
know there's no scientific reason why

787
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:43,200
panspermia shouldn't be considered as a

788
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:47,039
really you know the best you know model

789
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,559
for how life began on this planet you

790
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,880
know this is the one that fits the data

791
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,440
best and yet just because it involves

792
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,679
something from outside of this planetary

793
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,080
system it becomes you know garbage

794
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,960
science which is just is insane you know

795
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,120
there's no basis for writing it off of

796
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,519
pseudoscience at all and it really fits

797
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,919
well you've got life appearing here

798
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,159
astonishingly early they now think right

799
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,040
that it appeared 4.5 billion years ago

800
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,639
right and that's and the the planet

801
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,879
supposed to form to 4.6 billion years

802
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:19,119
ago so in a hundred thousand years you

803
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,480
know bear in mind

804
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,159
they're saying the planet was just

805
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,000
forming a crust it was still under the

806
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,079
bombardment of asteroids you know and

807
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,919
life appears jimmy you know just out of

808
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,760
nowhere like that like there's a seed

809
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,480
planted waiting for a service you know

810
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,399
so what point do you what point do you

811
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,000
say well the most rational thing is

812
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,480
there is a seed you know planted but

813
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,480
yeah no that that can't be it can't be

814
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:42,000
it it has to have just come out of the

815
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:43,440
rocks you know out of a rock pool

816
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:44,399
somewhere

817
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,359
the first time i read about panspermia i

818
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,599
was probably about 10 years old it was

819
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,079
like time magazine some article

820
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:55,440
and i sat back i was very young and i

821
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,599
thought to myself that makes sense

822
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,000
that makes a whole lot of sense that

823
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:04,560
takes out anything about

824
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,000
uh things being accidental you know and

825
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,839
it it was just something to me that

826
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,839
seemed so obvious and the more that i

827
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,240
followed up on it over the years and how

828
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:16,960
it's just been called rubbish and

829
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:19,119
you know just wacky science i i just

830
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,400
couldn't believe how much it was

831
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:23,119
dismissed and that was my eye opening

832
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,480
like everybody else when it comes to

833
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,560
academia where they just don't want to

834
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:29,040
pursue this subject

835
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,880
yeah it's a it's a very strange one i

836
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,480
mean i think it's just a couple of a

837
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:34,720
couple of months back that a geneticist

838
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,599
about team of geneticists you know they

839
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:39,040
traced the

840
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,960
the first ancestor of all life and they

841
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,440
call it the last universal common

842
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,280
ancestor luca

843
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,599
and they traced that back to 4.5 billion

844
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,359
years now that's gone along with this

845
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,440
this other earlier data that was fossils

846
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:53,280
you know there were in canadian rock you

847
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,640
know so we've got from two different

848
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,240
angles we've got this really early

849
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,640
emergence of life and there there is

850
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,839
just no

851
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,240
conceivable way that in a hundred

852
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,920
thousand years you're gonna have

853
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,920
something like dna you know emerging

854
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,400
from a rock pool it's just it's totally

855
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,800
unreasonable um

856
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,480
i don't even know why there's still a a

857
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,040
conversation if i'm honest at this point

858
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,440
it's so glaringly obvious that that's

859
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,240
the answer um that it's mind-boggling

860
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,680
yeah that was still having to be told

861
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:24,079
well no no no that's that's stupid you

862
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,760
know how could it be that it comes from

863
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,680
space it's like well how can it be that

864
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,280
it just comes out of a rock you know i

865
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:31,680
mean jimmy why is why is that better you

866
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,480
know

867
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,720
it's ridiculous it's ridiculous i look

868
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,839
at everything uh like most of us do

869
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:40,480
and i see nearly

870
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,680
all elements of life in stasis

871
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:46,400
i don't see things evolving

872
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:49,599
today that have been on this planet for

873
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:52,640
you know 50 60 million years they're

874
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,680
essentially exactly the same as they

875
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:58,400
were 50 million years ago i don't see

876
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,400
those evolutionary changes in anything

877
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:04,400
there's fundamental problems in the

878
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,079
evolutionary models right i mean there's

879
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,400
there are types of evolution that happen

880
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,560
and yes we can observe some types of

881
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:12,400
evolution but as you said there are

882
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,520
species that remain unchanged for

883
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,440
incalculable periods you know there's

884
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,680
obviously the famous example is the coal

885
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,520
account for this fish that they thought

886
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,440
was extinct you know tens of millions of

887
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,440
years ago and then they found it and you

888
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,960
know not only was the life but it hadn't

889
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,800
changed at all and it was living in an

890
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,720
environment which was considered to be

891
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,880
like the hot beds of evolution those

892
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,880
particular areas in in the ocean and

893
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:37,119
they hadn't changed you know so so you

894
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,720
have these problems where

895
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,079
and that's kind of skipped over and

896
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,760
there's quite a lot of animals like that

897
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:44,079
where they don't fit that model and

898
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:45,359
there's a there are scientists who now

899
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,480
are starting to try and say look you

900
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:48,720
know there's there's obviously

901
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,359
parts of this this model that we have

902
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,839
not grasped um because you know we

903
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,359
shouldn't be seeing some of these things

904
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:57,040
and then of course there are

905
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,240
types of english you know there's

906
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,880
species that mingle and i say subspecies

907
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,640
whatever you know there's adaptions we

908
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,440
now know there's what we call um

909
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,920
there's epigenetics or feedback loops

910
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,359
and obviously those can make minor

911
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:12,240
changes in an animal but yeah when we

912
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,400
get to these really big changes when we

913
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:17,440
have a species leap you know i see that

914
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,720
as being

915
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:20,720
something being caused by something far

916
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:23,359
more radical than just the occasional

917
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,240
mutation and you know natural selection

918
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,079
that doesn't really explain it i mean

919
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,760
we'll be going you know obviously into

920
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,359
that more depth but yeah there's quite a

921
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,839
few holes at the moment in the the

922
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:36,400
overarching evolutionary theory and

923
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,400
we're gonna we're gonna discuss this as

924
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,560
we move forward um

925
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,560
but for the audience

926
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,960
uh when we talk about you uh bruce

927
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:47,359
fenton and how you approach things

928
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,000
you look at the science the science is

929
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,800
you know now look going into the fringe

930
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,560
and getting that to connect into the

931
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,400
science okay well that's that's

932
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,359
something else as part of the process

933
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:03,440
but that's how you base everything

934
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,640
correct

935
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,880
yeah absolutely and you know the

936
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,880
previous book you know the inter-africa

937
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:10,720
theory there's no mention in there of

938
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,599
aliens or you know ghosts or you know

939
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,280
anything like that that's a book that's

940
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,359
really sort of intended for your i guess

941
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,599
your student in the sciences you know

942
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,680
somebody that i would like to reach now

943
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,520
wake them up to it so they don't go into

944
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,440
a career of you know

945
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,440
maintaining the status quo that they

946
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,839
understand hey you're wrong i use their

947
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,520
science papers you know i've gone into

948
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,200
the academic papers

949
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,599
and i use those to build my model so

950
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,200
that there's no way they can turn around

951
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,800
and say hey you know this is just

952
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,480
pseudoscience right i've been really

953
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,000
careful with that and that's why you

954
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,560
know dr graham hancock was willing to to

955
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,400
write the forward and you know he says

956
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,160
in there that you know this book has the

957
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,240
potential to rewrite human you know

958
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,839
history and you can you know graham's

959
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,760
not the kind of guy's gonna put that on

960
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,599
the front of a book that he thinks is a

961
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,440
you know it's just a joke

962
00:40:03,109 --> 00:39:59,599
let's uh let's get a foundation going

963
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,119
here uh to move forward um

964
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,839
i want your point of view on this and

965
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,520
your statistics

966
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,280
and my

967
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,560
my information

968
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:13,280
can be adjusted at any time okay i know

969
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:14,240
by

970
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,400
when it comes to this but let's get a

971
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:20,480
foundation going us

972
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:22,320
when i say us i'm talking about you and

973
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,920
i modern humans homo sapiens sapiens us

974
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:27,359
how long

975
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,119
have we been here

976
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:33,760
right i would break it down into a few

977
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,720
different

978
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,359
steps modern humans totally modern

979
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,400
humans

980
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,400
from what i can see

981
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:43,520
they don't appear really

982
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:46,320
as exactly as we are right until about

983
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,520
70 000 years ago but this is for fully

984
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,440
behaviorally fully anatomically modern

985
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,720
humans okay

986
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,800
but if you go back to

987
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,599
homo sapiens right and homosexuals again

988
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:59,680
can be broken down but homo sapiens goes

989
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,480
back to at least around

990
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:04,640
what the current definition of homo

991
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,599
sapiens i have to say this really

992
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,800
quickly because

993
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,720
there's a really vague definition right

994
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,400
that's used in science for modern humans

995
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,880
and for homo sapiens but if if you take

996
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:14,480
them back they typically are considered

997
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,000
to go back to 150 to 200 000 years right

998
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,200
and then you have archaic homo sapiens

999
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:23,440
they go back to around three to four

1000
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,359
hundred thousand years

1001
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,040
and then beyond that you start getting

1002
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,200
what they're just calling kind of pre

1003
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,359
homo sapiens and they get these archaic

1004
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,680
hominins right so it kind of breaks down

1005
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,560
but

1006
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,480
you really yeah us

1007
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,400
we come about after seventy thousand

1008
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,640
years ago and i i can go into bit why

1009
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:42,400
that is and i tell you very quickly it's

1010
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:43,440
because

1011
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,720
modern humans are a hybrid of various

1012
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,800
other humans that lived on this planet

1013
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,040
before 70 000 years ago right because

1014
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,760
there was an enormous event that happens

1015
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,160
at 72 000 years ago and that was the

1016
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,880
explosion of the lake toba super volcano

1017
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,880
right and this volcano was the biggest

1018
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:03,280
eruption in the last two million years

1019
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,880
the ash cloud drifted across eurasia and

1020
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,880
it encircled the entire northern

1021
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,960
hemisphere of the planet bringing on an

1022
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,200
accelerated like nuclear winter right

1023
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,119
and you got bear in mind this is in an

1024
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,040
ice age so on top of it you get a

1025
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,760
nuclear winter so eurasia is getting

1026
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,520
absolutely wiped out right it's all

1027
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:23,200
these humans living there there's very

1028
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,319
there's a fair number you know you've

1029
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,160
got your neanderthals you've got see

1030
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,319
denisovans you've got um

1031
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,680
red deer cave if you've got this there's

1032
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,440
quite they know now you know that there

1033
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,880
was a lot it wasn't just one or two

1034
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,119
there was a lot right most of them are

1035
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,200
dying in this event

1036
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,880
so what happens if you're in a disaster

1037
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,240
you know you're gonna sit there and die

1038
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,760
if you can help it so

1039
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,960
obviously some of them are getting

1040
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,280
displaced and as these different groups

1041
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:46,960
get displaced what do they do they bump

1042
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,920
into each other right they start mixing

1043
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,760
uh the survivors go into there's only

1044
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,040
two places you can really go you have to

1045
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,880
go below the equator right there's only

1046
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,880
two places you can end up in sub-saharan

1047
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,280
africa so you know south of the equator

1048
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,760
there or in southeast asia they're

1049
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,200
moving down into the equator and down

1050
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,760
into indonesia and australasia right so

1051
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,760
you've got these mixing pots and that's

1052
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,440
why i say modern humans don't really

1053
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,560
come about until after this because

1054
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,680
we're actually and i said you've

1055
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,880
probably seen this in the recent news it

1056
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,480
keeps coming up we've got another

1057
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,839
lineage and another lineage you know

1058
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:17,119
we're part dennis over and we're part

1059
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,319
neanderthal we're part of this we're

1060
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,160
part of that and that's because these

1061
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,160
groups have been forced together after

1062
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,400
the this apocalypse right

1063
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:26,240
but before that there was homo sapiens

1064
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,680
but they are

1065
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:29,040
slightly different to us you can see the

1066
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,400
skull shape and things are slightly

1067
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:32,480
different so there's different kinds of

1068
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,160
homo sapiens

1069
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:35,599
the

1070
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,599
question of again uh i i need this for

1071
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,640
foundation the question of uh

1072
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,839
neanderthal or cro-magnon when it comes

1073
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:48,079
to homo sapiens sapien

1074
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,319
my eyes don't see the similarities

1075
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:54,720
and the uh i just don't see it just

1076
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,160
because we are alike

1077
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,400
doesn't mean necessarily that there was

1078
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,480
crossbreeding or a heavy amount of it

1079
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,640
but the other issue i have

1080
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:06,960
is the overlapping of the dates because

1081
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,520
cro-magnon and neanderthal stretched all

1082
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:10,800
the way up to

1083
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:13,760
you know 30 000 years ago 35 000 years

1084
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,720
ago

1085
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,359
without having it it's not like we have

1086
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:19,599
an entire subspecies

1087
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,440
of homo sapiens sapien magnan right if

1088
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:25,760
you know what i'm saying here i'd i i

1089
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,040
don't see that how much of it uh did

1090
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,040
occur number one

1091
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,319
and two was cross breeding even possible

1092
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:36,800
was it you know is

1093
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,920
with the uh with the eggs and sperm

1094
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:41,920
you know would they match and actually

1095
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,800
create because it's very complicated

1096
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,480
yeah i mean

1097
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:48,640
yes there was mixing and there was

1098
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,079
mixing on at least two or three

1099
00:44:58,270 --> 00:44:54,319
points in the timeline about 50 000

1100
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,280
years ago uh around about

1101
00:45:01,430 --> 00:45:00,720
270 000 years ago and i think somewhere

1102
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,440
in the middle of there i think it's

1103
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,280
about 120 000. you've got three points

1104
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,960
where there's been mixing between

1105
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,400
neanderthals and

1106
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,319
what is the lineage that leads to modern

1107
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,880
humans right but the things say

1108
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,920
something here there's there's a good

1109
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,680
reason why when you if you look at the

1110
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,280
imagery that they generate now of

1111
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,880
neanderthals and you say you look at it

1112
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,480
you know obviously they've got the big

1113
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,400
brow ridges you know they've got the

1114
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:22,720
heavy set jaw you know there's

1115
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:25,920
noticeable physical differences right

1116
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,920
for a long time we didn't really

1117
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:29,200
understand why that was before it's

1118
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,960
because there's such a different you

1119
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,520
know species you know um or even if you

1120
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,359
say subspecies but they were so

1121
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,400
different

1122
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,800
and actually it turns out the the reason

1123
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,000
why they look like this is quite weird

1124
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,319
is that due to epigenetics and i'll just

1125
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,480
quickly say to you epigenetics basically

1126
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,160
is like a feedback loop that there's

1127
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,839
when things happen to you

1128
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,440
um or you know you live in a certain

1129
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,800
kind of environment

1130
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,280
your dna is kind of clever enough to

1131
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:55,040
respond to that and you actually have

1132
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,400
things starting to change even in your

1133
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,480
own lifetime and some of these changes

1134
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,000
were passed on to your children now

1135
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,760
they're usually a bit subtle right over

1136
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,079
time that can increase and the reason

1137
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,839
what they found was that the

1138
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,359
neanderthals

1139
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:09,040
seem to have been

1140
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,480
the feral wild version of homo sapiens

1141
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,640
so right if you look at say

1142
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,319
the wolf and compare it to say an

1143
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,520
alsatian or something you know they're

1144
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,359
they're similar but they're not the same

1145
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,280
right there's there's noticeable

1146
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,440
differences right and they found in in

1147
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,520
most species where you have a tame

1148
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:26,640
version

1149
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,800
that there's significant differences in

1150
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,400
how they look and they found that these

1151
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,079
genetic differences between us and

1152
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:36,400
neanderthals are in those same genes

1153
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:39,280
right so what we have is we are like the

1154
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,160
tame version right and they're the wild

1155
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,560
version and they lived out in the small

1156
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,480
groups out in the wilderness they

1157
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,200
weren't as social as us they they didn't

1158
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,119
head towards you know civilization in

1159
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,280
the way that we have in intense groups

1160
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,119
and collaboration and that actually

1161
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:57,440
expresses in the dna so they started to

1162
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:59,680
become more ape-like so it's kind of

1163
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,280
weird that you know people say um the

1164
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,280
way you think you know what you become

1165
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,920
and in this case it's actually our dna

1166
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,480
is that weird and that clever that it

1167
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,720
actually does start to change you

1168
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:12,240
towards the environment you know that

1169
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,280
you're in uh in in fairly fast speeds i

1170
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,040
mean we've seen it in i think they test

1171
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:19,200
it in foxes where they it was a project

1172
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,319
to see you know how quickly this can

1173
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:22,400
happen they found that features that

1174
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,560
arise from taming can happen quite

1175
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,200
quickly so it's a bit deceptive when you

1176
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,440
look at those differences right it

1177
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,680
actually takes a million years

1178
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,040
for two

1179
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:36,079
human populations to diverge enough that

1180
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,359
they can't interbreed right so there was

1181
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:41,280
although there were some there were some

1182
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,480
problems

1183
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,240
in interbreeding between neanderthals

1184
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,560
and us and they know that the male

1185
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,160
offspring

1186
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:50,160
seemed to have not survived or had

1187
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,680
problems there was very few when they

1188
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,280
trace the dna it seems it's the y

1189
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,920
chromosomes kind of missing so they had

1190
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,839
become separate enough that there was

1191
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,920
interbreeding problems right but they

1192
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,200
are still

1193
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,280
i would put them as a subspecies of the

1194
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,359
homo sapiens family that we could breed

1195
00:48:08,550 --> 00:48:07,119
with them we did

1196
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,560
we did with all the other ones as well

1197
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,400
the denisovans and now there's three

1198
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,240
kinds of dennis ovens you know that's

1199
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,640
that's come up now i mean really that

1200
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,839
that name is going to become kind of

1201
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,599
meaningless because those denisovan

1202
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,440
groups were separated by one of them was

1203
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,680
separated by like 400 000 years right

1204
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:23,839
another one like 300 and it's like 200

1205
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,319
right so that's really really separate

1206
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,000
you know to say these are the same

1207
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,920
people so we've got all these different

1208
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,599
kinds of humans right that are all

1209
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,359
mixing so they're all within that

1210
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,760
million years and again we're gonna

1211
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,160
tackle why that is because my focus is

1212
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,880
on events within that million years uh

1213
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,160
it hasn't been long enough for us to

1214
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,000
split enough that we can't mix put it

1215
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,160
that way yeah and

1216
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,480
it keeps coming back to this the same

1217
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:50,559
issue that we have which is

1218
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,160
apparently 150 000 years ago 200 000

1219
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,119
years ago at the farthest no matter what

1220
00:49:02,710 --> 00:48:59,040
we just appeared

1221
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,720
and i don't see it as

1222
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,000
luck

1223
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,160
right i don't see it as

1224
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:08,960
lightning strikes or something that

1225
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:12,640
magically change dna so suddenly we have

1226
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:16,000
you know no hair and a perfect forehead

1227
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:16,800
you know

1228
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:21,359
have an issue with

1229
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,160
and there isn't a a whole lot there to

1230
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,720
explain except for

1231
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,319
it just is

1232
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,800
now how do we start to tackle

1233
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:33,359
it's a very complex issue that we have

1234
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:36,800
how do we start to tackle the magic of

1235
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:40,079
of that of us just appearing

1236
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,599
well i can give you a bit of a timeline

1237
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,440
there it does go back further than that

1238
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,200
yes it's true that

1239
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,200
the the the humans that look like the

1240
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,760
homo sapiens that look like us you know

1241
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:51,599
they do tend you know when we look at

1242
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:54,720
the fossil record they arise around

1243
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,359
about 200 000 years ago right

1244
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,520
again modern fully modern humans about

1245
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,440
seventy thousand but if you you take it

1246
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,800
back there's a couple other really

1247
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,119
important points in this timeline now

1248
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,800
i'll start at the beginning because

1249
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:08,319
because that's kind of it's kind of easy

1250
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,440
i guess for people you know if you go

1251
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,359
back to the split with

1252
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,520
other primates right that's calculated

1253
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,400
at around about six million years ago

1254
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,920
right so if we're going with the you

1255
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:19,280
know at least with the official timeline

1256
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,880
don't say look six million years ago

1257
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,559
we've split away from any other primates

1258
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,400
we've gone down our own path right and

1259
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,359
there's a load of genetic differences

1260
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,520
between us all the other primates from

1261
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,079
that point onwards at least okay

1262
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,599
right so

1263
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:35,760
back then we're still talking about a

1264
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,640
kind of you know an ape man to some

1265
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,400
degree you know they're not quite ideal

1266
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,839
they haven't got the big brain

1267
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,920
right they they haven't got the size

1268
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:45,599
these are small you know these are

1269
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,160
chimp-sized brains you know they're

1270
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,079
as much as they they're different to the

1271
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,960
other you know primates or whatever you

1272
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,040
know we wouldn't recognize them as like

1273
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,599
hey buddy you know buy you a beer you

1274
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,119
know these these are these are some

1275
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,359
pretty weird characters but then if we

1276
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:03,359
go along to about two million years ago

1277
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,640
this is when things start to get

1278
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,920
interesting because

1279
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,559
it's at that point that the brain seems

1280
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,720
to go into a fairly rapid expansion and

1281
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:13,200
we have what's called homo erectus homo

1282
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,640
erectus looks

1283
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,400
more or less

1284
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,160
like us but you can you'd still notice

1285
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,760
that this is you know this guy couldn't

1286
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,000
get on the bus and just sit next to you

1287
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,160
and you'd be okay with it you know but

1288
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,520
you would recognize that hey this is

1289
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,359
some kind of human this is not you know

1290
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:30,000
not chimp or something um and i believe

1291
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,440
there's engineering at that point you

1292
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:33,119
know although that's not the focus of my

1293
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,319
book i will say that you know i believe

1294
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:36,319
that two million years ago we have

1295
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:39,680
engineering of these other you know

1296
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:41,119
early primates if you like all these

1297
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,839
hominins right so there's an upgrade the

1298
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,760
brain is going to start to get bigger

1299
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:47,119
they know there's some genes that have

1300
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,079
changed there's some really important

1301
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:50,800
genes that go through duplications and

1302
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,680
mutations you know at that point

1303
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:55,040
but it's still not us

1304
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,880
so the next important point is so you go

1305
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,960
from this you've got homo erectus they

1306
00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:00,240
kind of mill around the world they're

1307
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:01,040
going everywhere you've got

1308
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:02,319
homoerectuses all the way down in

1309
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,160
southeast asia they found them up in the

1310
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:06,880
georgian caucuses um dating back to

1311
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,680
about 1.8 million you know indonesia 1.7

1312
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,680
million um so they you know they're

1313
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,359
really ranging around the globe these

1314
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,520
guys but they don't do a lot with tools

1315
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:16,960
you know they're not really advanced you

1316
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,960
know they're certainly not building any

1317
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:21,359
aeroplanes or anything um

1318
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,720
and they don't really change much for

1319
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,160
about a million years you know they're

1320
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,839
kind of stuck in a rut

1321
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:27,119
but then we get to this really

1322
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,119
interesting point which is around about

1323
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,359
780 000 years ago and obviously there's

1324
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,359
a reason why my book says sort of 800

1325
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,520
000 years on the cover because this

1326
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:36,880
point we get

1327
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,920
some major major changes and this is a

1328
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,559
total split away from the earlier

1329
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,960
hominins there's changes to the brain

1330
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:46,640
there's changes in there's a chromosome

1331
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,319
2 fusion there's new genes appear

1332
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,440
it's so radical to change that for all

1333
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,240
intents and purposes a new species

1334
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,160
appears right out of nowhere at the

1335
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:00,240
genetic level this is a new species that

1336
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:01,760
appears out of nowhere

1337
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,800
and then from 800 000 years you see a

1338
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,720
rapid expansion in brain size and you

1339
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,240
can see this on the charts and on

1340
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,160
google's you know look at a chart for

1341
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,079
brain size expansion you'll see that it

1342
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,160
goes like wow you know just straight up

1343
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,480
almost yeah and that goes all the way up

1344
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:18,640
to 200 000. that's pretty much when that

1345
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,280
the brain expansion this rapid expansion

1346
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,920
it stops around about 200 000 years ago

1347
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:24,960
it's like it's almost like you know

1348
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,680
experiment completing you know right and

1349
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,359
let me jump in let me jump in right

1350
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:30,960
there bruce we need to take a break

1351
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,359
right here sure but we'll pick up right

1352
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,880
where we are leaving off our guest

1353
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,800
tonight is bruce fenton we're talking

1354
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,160
about us

1355
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:40,480
the origins of us

1356
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:43,520
and human hybrids hybrid humans

1357
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,280
all of that this is faded black i'm not

1358
00:53:50,570 --> 00:53:47,440
jimmy church more with bruce after this

1359
00:53:59,980 --> 00:53:50,580
short break stay with us

1360
00:53:59,990 --> 00:54:10,870
[Music]

1361
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,430
welcome back fade to black i am your

1362
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,880
host jimmy church what is cracking

1363
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:17,200
everybody tonight bruce our fenton is

1364
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:18,000
here

1365
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,720
we're talking about us our human origins

1366
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,559
how do we get

1367
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,079
here

1368
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,240
maybe maybe we are all going to learn

1369
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:29,920
something together tonight with bruce

1370
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:33,119
okay bruce okay okay let's let's let's

1371
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,880
get something uh very direct here

1372
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,440
we are you set the stage right brain

1373
00:54:44,790 --> 00:54:42,400
development 200 000 years boom things

1374
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:44,800
stopped and started at that point right

1375
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,079
okay the grand experiment had ended i

1376
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,000
love the way that you put that

1377
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:53,200
but let's get something clear here

1378
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,359
primates now you have stated primates

1379
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,000
throughout the layout okay when we are

1380
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,520
talking about

1381
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:04,319
uh six million years ago two million

1382
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,430
they they come under

1383
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:14,240
the primate family but homonyms which

1384
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,520
are technically humans of various sorts

1385
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,559
arise around about

1386
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,400
four million years ago in the classical

1387
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,720
models right roundabouts or four or five

1388
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,160
million years ago but they were still

1389
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:27,920
underneath the primate family we're all

1390
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,160
in the greater primate family right even

1391
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,480
as modern humans they would we would be

1392
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,720
placed in that now look i've got some

1393
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:36,319
issues with that not the usual issues i

1394
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:37,280
know a lot of people just say that i

1395
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,880
don't think we're primates but my

1396
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,920
argument would be that i think the

1397
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,480
changes that were done were so dramatic

1398
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,440
at 780 000 years ago that we are a

1399
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,280
really different species to any of the

1400
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:49,680
other primates okay but yeah before that

1401
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,240
yeah sure these are variants within the

1402
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,599
primary family but they are considered

1403
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:55,839
to be hominins so they would be kinds of

1404
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,880
humans

1405
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,920
but

1406
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:00,559
let's talk chromosomes then let's talk

1407
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,079
about pears yeah things get really weird

1408
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,400
they do they do and i love the black and

1409
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:08,000
white part of this right and when it

1410
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:09,680
just comes down to

1411
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:13,280
numbers and and and what the science

1412
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:14,480
says

1413
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,119
that it gets really interesting let's

1414
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,680
talk about chromosomes in pairs and so

1415
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:22,079
the audience understands exactly what we

1416
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:23,520
are talking about here because there is

1417
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:26,480
a clear line in the sand a very clear

1418
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:27,359
one

1419
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,400
how many chromosome pairs do you have

1420
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,480
yeah we have today we have 46

1421
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:36,000
chromosomes but

1422
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,280
it was once 48 right or all primates

1423
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,839
that are alive today and as far as

1424
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,280
science knows

1425
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:45,280
most of the extinct hominins certainly

1426
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:46,400
the

1427
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,359
46. now this is a really dramatic change

1428
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:01,119
and i'll tell you why because there's

1429
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:02,240
people out there saying like hey like

1430
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,760
scientists will say to you hey but look

1431
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:05,760
you know chromosome fusions happen you

1432
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:08,799
know we can see with horses today um the

1433
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,480
wild horses and tame horses have us have

1434
00:57:16,950 --> 00:57:14,319
a different number of chromosomes right

1435
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,960
okay yeah it does happen you can have

1436
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,960
two populations now

1437
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:21,119
but look at that for start you've got

1438
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,119
humans involved right that we're taming

1439
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,280
them uh that we've isolated them you

1440
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,880
know we were involved this is it wasn't

1441
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,480
totally natural that there's these two

1442
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,640
populations so i'd throw that in there

1443
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,559
as well bingo

1444
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:35,040
right so then but if you look at us

1445
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,880
usually when there's a

1446
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,400
a chromosome

1447
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,240
issue you know whether that's additional

1448
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,799
chromosomes or not not the right number

1449
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,319
you know you know lower chromosomes

1450
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,839
usually there's a problem for a start

1451
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,760
it's not usually a good thing right

1452
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,079
something's gone wrong uh and most of

1453
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,319
the time that won't be passed on that

1454
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,839
you won't be able to reproduce sometimes

1455
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,599
you won't even survive you know they can

1456
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,599
be really serious

1457
00:58:02,230 --> 00:57:59,760
so it's strange to think first of all

1458
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,240
it's strange implicitly strange

1459
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,839
that it was beneficial that you know

1460
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:05,280
that we all have it

1461
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,440
right and this is this is something that

1462
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,880
the scientists kind of recognize that

1463
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:11,119
this is strange because you know i went

1464
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,559
into the papers on this you know because

1465
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,160
it's an important part of

1466
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:15,520
my work

1467
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,880
and what they say is they say look you

1468
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,680
know

1469
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,599
for this to have happened for it to have

1470
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:21,040
gone from being you know one or two

1471
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:22,480
people with a mutation

1472
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,920
to being everybody you have to have two

1473
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,000
conditions the first one is

1474
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:30,880
it should happen in a small isolated

1475
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,440
population somewhere so that so you're

1476
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,880
not mixing with lots of other people

1477
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:36,079
that have the correct number of

1478
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,280
chromosomes otherwise it would just

1479
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,359
disappear again right that so that was

1480
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,280
their first issue well it has to be a

1481
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:44,079
small isolated population bear in mind a

1482
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,319
test group in an experiment is

1483
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,440
implicitly a small isolated population

1484
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,760
right and then the second thing you have

1485
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:53,440
is they said well

1486
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:56,000
also fritz becomes so dominant and so

1487
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:57,359
persistent

1488
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:58,640
it must be

1489
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,079
giving extreme benefits

1490
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,480
something so incredible that everyone

1491
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,400
like you know inherits it has a better

1492
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,880
survival chance than anyone else right

1493
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:10,880
so you've got two factors so you've got

1494
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:13,520
a supposedly random error right that's

1495
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:16,319
given us this amazing upgrade and then

1496
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:17,920
it has to have hammered in a small

1497
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,079
isolated group like you'd have in an

1498
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,079
experiment isn't that isn't that a funny

1499
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,559
coincidence right um

1500
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,640
and the dating is the thing that really

1501
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,480
matters because for a long time

1502
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:30,880
this hadn't been well dated right

1503
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:33,040
and there was an assumption

1504
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,799
certainly in our circles like the fringe

1505
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,720
circles you know the people that tackled

1506
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,480
this assume that that must have happened

1507
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:39,920
about two hundred thousand years ago

1508
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:40,720
because

1509
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:43,359
that's when the recognizable homo

1510
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:45,680
sapiens but it turns out it's not

1511
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,559
it goes all the way back to 780 000

1512
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,160
years ago which is this date i tackle

1513
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:53,119
right there's a a geneticist who looked

1514
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,880
into he wanted to get an accurate dating

1515
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,480
they knew that the fusion happened

1516
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:58,880
sometime after this split with with the

1517
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,559
other primates they knew that it's only

1518
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,880
us that had it but they didn't know when

1519
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:04,160
after you know whether it was five

1520
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:05,839
million years ago you know four three

1521
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,359
two one

1522
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:09,599
but they did realize that neanderthals

1523
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:12,480
have it denisovans have it okay so that

1524
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:15,119
means that it has to occurred before we

1525
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,200
diverged from them and it has to have

1526
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:20,079
happened long after we've separated from

1527
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,520
any other primates right somewhere in

1528
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,960
the middle this guy looked at he said

1529
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,720
well hang on a minute look we know the

1530
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,799
rate of change at the end of chromosomes

1531
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,559
and we know that the changes occur

1532
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,559
faster than in the middle of chromosomes

1533
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:32,720
right so because the way they obviously

1534
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,599
split so when when they fused that

1535
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,240
slowed down the rate of change in the

1536
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,240
rate of mutation in the middle of that

1537
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,720
chromosome right so he looked at it from

1538
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,040
a chemical perspective and he was able

1539
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:47,200
to date he said that it it has to have

1540
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,480
happened roughly 750 000 years ago

1541
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,240
approximately but it has to have

1542
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,839
happened before the split with the

1543
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:55,760
denisovans and neanderthals and we now

1544
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:58,240
know that split has been dated right

1545
01:01:02,789 --> 01:00:59,760
redated to

1546
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,799
around 750 to 800 000 years ago and

1547
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,559
that's just in the last two years before

1548
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:06,720
that people thought it was people the

1549
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,200
scientists believed it was around 400 to

1550
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:11,680
500 000 years that's been

1551
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,000
totally pushed back now because new dna

1552
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,559
they found in the simulacrus

1553
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:18,799
fossils in spain which is the oldest

1554
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:21,040
human dna ever recovered we now know

1555
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:22,640
that the split was way earlier it goes

1556
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,839
back to the date again 780 000 years ago

1557
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,839
so what the heck is going on at this

1558
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,680
time and that's where you know my book

1559
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,760
really does a deep dive because

1560
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:33,920
there's a lot more than just the fusion

1561
01:01:39,670 --> 01:01:36,319
i can tell you that there's a lot it

1562
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,680
okay so if we if we take a look at this

1563
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,359
800 000

1564
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:43,920
uh year ago date

1565
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,000
um

1566
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:48,720
and if we are looking at spain

1567
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,200
what does that do with africa and also

1568
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,240
how could the because i'm gonna i want

1569
01:02:02,470 --> 01:01:58,720
to connect the dots to a couple of other

1570
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,480
points here but how is it possible

1571
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,359
are we suggesting now that it was spain

1572
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:06,559
where

1573
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,559
the uh the spread of this change started

1574
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,720
from was it centralized out of spain did

1575
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:14,799
it come out of siberia

1576
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:15,760
or

1577
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:20,960
of the list

1578
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:22,640
no what they actually was because the

1579
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,680
the remains in spain are about 500 and

1580
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,440
they're 500 and something thousand years

1581
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,200
old right so they don't go all the way

1582
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,200
back to that date but when they do the

1583
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,079
analysis of the genome you know they can

1584
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,920
date when a mutation happens or they can

1585
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:37,680
date when there was an interbreeding

1586
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,799
event you know that kind of stuff so

1587
01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:40,799
what they they actually did was dated

1588
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:43,040
these changes but that is not that

1589
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:45,040
fossil itself is not right at the

1590
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:46,720
beginning so it doesn't make spain

1591
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:50,880
automatically the the start so instead

1592
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:52,799
in my argument like i said for a number

1593
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,920
of reasons

1594
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:55,359
i say that this is happening down in

1595
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,640
southeast asia and australia

1596
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,720
particularly australia and i just get

1597
01:03:01,589 --> 01:03:00,319
the usa in like australia is one of your

1598
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,599
favorite places because i think you're

1599
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:03,200
gonna love it even more by the end of

1600
01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:06,640
this because i argue that homo sapiens

1601
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:09,040
and this lineage that goes back to 780

1602
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:11,680
000 years ago begins in australia and

1603
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,000
that we we can for homo sapiens you can

1604
01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:15,760
forget africa the hominins that have

1605
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,039
wandered around the world yeah maybe

1606
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,960
some of them evolved there uh maybe some

1607
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,720
involved in europe there's a new a new

1608
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:22,319
article came out tonight actually saying

1609
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:24,880
that there's um a jawbone that they

1610
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,839
believe indicates that um

1611
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,520
southern europe about eight million

1612
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:31,359
years ago had the the first hominins

1613
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:32,319
right so there's all sorts of things

1614
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:33,440
going on at the moment are changing

1615
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,480
things but

1616
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:36,079
for this particular

1617
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,160
matter you know we get taken all the way

1618
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:40,319
down to australia

1619
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,160
australia proper

1620
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,039
yep um also in the indonesian islands

1621
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:49,039
that's also very much involved and again

1622
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:50,319
you've been seeing probably in the news

1623
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:52,400
recently i know so certainly you would

1624
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,599
have seen this and listeners maybe as

1625
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:55,200
well the philippines is being talked

1626
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,319
about they've just found a new kind of

1627
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,839
human there yeah

1628
01:04:02,309 --> 01:03:59,520
they've also realized that the

1629
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,319
denisovans were living on islands in

1630
01:04:05,589 --> 01:04:04,400
in indonesia and also on

1631
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:05,599
um

1632
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,200
papua new guinea which was part of

1633
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:09,280
australia if you look at the maps when

1634
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:10,400
you go back

1635
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:12,160
you know wind back the clock there was

1636
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,720
no sea between australia and papua new

1637
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:15,920
guinea right that was a singular

1638
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,799
landmass that would be called sahu

1639
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:20,319
i mean my book which i published in

1640
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:23,520
april 2017 i explained that this was the

1641
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:25,440
homeland of the denisovans course nobody

1642
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,200
wanted to listen to that no no no no the

1643
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,400
denisovans lived in uh in siberia right

1644
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,920
yeah but

1645
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,440
because i already dug through the papers

1646
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,960
and i could see where these anomalies

1647
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,480
were going right so in the book i

1648
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:38,079
explained that no this is their homeland

1649
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:39,599
and now in the last few weeks has come

1650
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,520
out that we've got at least three lines

1651
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,680
of denisovan dna and pap ones right and

1652
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,839
nowhere else why is that then that's

1653
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,280
because they lived there that was their

1654
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,920
home right and so my model is being

1655
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,760
incrementally proved so this isn't just

1656
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,520
like wild stuff like what do you mean

1657
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:55,039
they're in australia you know it's like

1658
01:04:59,190 --> 01:04:56,640
hang on a minute the academics are now

1659
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,200
being forced to relook and say well how

1660
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,440
can it be that the pap ones are the only

1661
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,359
people with all these lines of ancient

1662
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:05,280
dna you know this doesn't make sense we

1663
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:06,640
thought that these these guys were

1664
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,720
isolated and only arrived there like 50

1665
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:10,640
or 60 000 years ago and now we're

1666
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,880
finding they've got lineages of 400

1667
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:14,559
thousand year old then the silver

1668
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:16,079
linings you know diverged away from

1669
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:18,000
everyone else all that time ago where

1670
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,599
have they been all that time right the

1671
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:21,599
only way you can be that isolated is if

1672
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,200
you're over water somewhere because

1673
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,000
humans meet they mate right so to have

1674
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,559
that that deep split 400 000 years

1675
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:30,240
without them encountering anyone else

1676
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:31,760
they've got a beaver on an island

1677
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,960
somewhere

1678
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,960
on an isolated landmass that we know

1679
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:37,039
that australia and the indonesian

1680
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:39,760
islands are the only places really that

1681
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:42,640
were that isolated in ancient times so

1682
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:45,280
the model is is crashing towards my

1683
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,480
argument

1684
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:48,000
and one of the things we also know is

1685
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:48,880
that

1686
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,319
there are there's tools stone tools

1687
01:05:56,950 --> 01:05:54,480
on islands in indonesia like flores for

1688
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:56,960
example which go back a million years

1689
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:59,280
there's also these homo florenciensis

1690
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,119
fossils these are the hobbit people that

1691
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:03,039
guys would have read about right right

1692
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:05,280
that they go back 900 000 years or so on

1693
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:08,960
flores right so if you reach flores it

1694
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:10,240
means you've already crossed what's

1695
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:12,319
called the wallace's line which is the

1696
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:14,720
border between asia and australia in

1697
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:16,480
terms of flora and fauna right it's

1698
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:18,000
argued that large mammals and stuff

1699
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:19,599
couldn't cross and that's why you have

1700
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:20,799
all the marsupials and stuff in

1701
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:23,680
australia you know mammals up in in asia

1702
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,480
right

1703
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:27,039
but these vines are on the east side of

1704
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,119
the wallace's line and they say look if

1705
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:31,440
you cross that there's no reason why you

1706
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,599
can't reach australia so i'm thinking if

1707
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:35,920
you've done that a million years ago are

1708
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:37,520
we really supposed to believe jimmy that

1709
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,640
it took them another 900 000 years just

1710
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,640
to sail across to australia does that

1711
01:06:46,309 --> 01:06:44,480
make any sense right

1712
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,319
they've done all this journeying right

1713
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:48,480
supposedly across eurasia they've

1714
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:49,599
managed to get into the islands of

1715
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,280
indonesia and they don't hit the

1716
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:53,520
enormous continent just you know another

1717
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,000
like 100k ahead of them like it's it's

1718
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:57,839
not believable and that was one of the

1719
01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,520
bases in my book i say look you know

1720
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,599
once they're there within let's even say

1721
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:03,200
fifty thousand a hundred thousand years

1722
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,799
you know i'm generous i'll give them

1723
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:06,000
they can be stuck there for a hundred

1724
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,839
thousand years i don't care right for my

1725
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,760
model it doesn't matter because it only

1726
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,440
takes them to

1727
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,839
cross that once in that period for them

1728
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:16,319
to reach australia and we now have an

1729
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:20,559
isolated hominin population on australia

1730
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:23,039
but at a really important time because

1731
01:07:26,789 --> 01:07:24,400
obviously we're going to come to this in

1732
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:26,799
a bit but a time when there's an arrival

1733
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:29,359
of beings who are not like us you know

1734
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:31,280
they're not from around here and they

1735
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:33,520
happen to end up in australia and that's

1736
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,559
why we

1737
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:36,160
cross into some of the stranger stuff

1738
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:38,160
but yeah it all begins in australia and

1739
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:39,440
the aboriginal people have always said

1740
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,640
you know what they've always said we

1741
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,400
were the first we've always been here

1742
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:43,920
and everyone else came from us and

1743
01:07:47,510 --> 01:07:46,720
that's their law right right and

1744
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:47,520
you know

1745
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,119
just just them making it up and it's

1746
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:53,920
it's not i can validate it's not well

1747
01:08:00,150 --> 01:07:56,799
let's stay right here i do want to uh

1748
01:08:01,829 --> 01:08:00,160
point out that when the press release

1749
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,839
came out about the cave in the

1750
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:03,119
philippines

1751
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:06,160
that that new species was only three to

1752
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,160
three and a half feet tall fully grown

1753
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:13,270
shorter than the hobbit species that you

1754
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:14,160
know

1755
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:18,400
ago and i found that very very

1756
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:21,359
interesting that uh

1757
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:22,640
they found

1758
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:28,799
other artifacts to suggest

1759
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,480
uh an advancing uh species of human

1760
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,640
uh that was there but when i got to the

1761
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:37,279
three and a half foot tall part now i

1762
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:39,279
have to visualize what's going on what

1763
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:41,679
did you make of that when you read it

1764
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,359
yeah look i think that what we have and

1765
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:45,759
again this this ties in a bit with the

1766
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,239
homo naledi find in africa as well if

1767
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,560
people know that there's these little

1768
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,560
humans that were found in a cave down in

1769
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,719
south africa which didn't make sense at

1770
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,120
all because again those those fossils

1771
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:59,759
turned out to be about 200 000 years old

1772
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:01,199
and when they first found them they

1773
01:09:04,390 --> 01:09:02,640
thought they were like 2 million years

1774
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,400
old because they're tiny with small

1775
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,239
brains you know they still have the

1776
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:07,920
curved fingers for like swinging in

1777
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,920
trees and stuff and they're finding

1778
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,759
similar features on these you know these

1779
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:13,199
new species in you know in the

1780
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,560
philippines right

1781
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:16,799
and that's i firmly believe that what we

1782
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:17,839
have there

1783
01:09:22,789 --> 01:09:21,120
are residual populations of what humans

1784
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:22,799
would have been like right if they

1785
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:24,640
hadn't been modified that they would

1786
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:28,000
still be almost chimp-like creatures

1787
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,759
right and so you have these little

1788
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,839
isolated populations that that didn't

1789
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,440
fully get the upgrade they didn't meet

1790
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:35,279
us a lot there wasn't much in breeding

1791
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,279
right so you find that they have some

1792
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:39,359
features they said of modern humans

1793
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:40,719
suggesting that there probably was

1794
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:43,520
encounters there probably was limited

1795
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:44,799
intervenes they haven't they've picked

1796
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:47,600
up a few modern traits but they weren't

1797
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,080
really you know on the main

1798
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,000
road right because they're off on some

1799
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:54,080
little island somewhere right so we've

1800
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,679
retained now they're finding this

1801
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,199
bizarre see the mainstream are like

1802
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:59,440
baffled like how can this be you know

1803
01:10:01,910 --> 01:10:00,640
look at what humans are like you know

1804
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:01,920
we're supposed to be all evolving

1805
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,400
towards you know this this wonderful big

1806
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:06,400
brained form but it isn't working out

1807
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,600
like that because they're finding these

1808
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:10,000
population these isolated populations

1809
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,679
and they're nothing like us they're

1810
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,840
these tiny hobbit creatures with little

1811
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,440
brains that we're still swinging in

1812
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:18,080
trees yeah so something's not adding up

1813
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:19,760
because they're nearby you've got

1814
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,640
totally modern humans right so how can

1815
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:24,719
we all be on the same evolutionary path

1816
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,320
like how can it be that we're all

1817
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:28,320
sharing the same you know natural

1818
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:29,600
mutations

1819
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,800
you see what i mean jimmy it doesn't

1820
01:10:34,870 --> 01:10:32,800
stack up in it the next island along

1821
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:34,880
you've got like little monkey people

1822
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:37,280
well what does this do

1823
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:38,239
um

1824
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:39,199
with

1825
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,159
uh

1826
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:42,480
you know zechariah's kitchen and the

1827
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:46,159
sumerian tablets and that that history

1828
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,000
uh if you can call it mythology what

1829
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:50,800
whatever we want to do with that story

1830
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:54,960
that suggested a timeline going back 400

1831
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:58,239
000 years you're pushing it back to 800

1832
01:11:02,470 --> 01:10:59,920
000 years

1833
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:02,480
what would have occurred

1834
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:06,480
uh 800 000 years ago to cause the change

1835
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,560
in genetics

1836
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:10,960
sure i mean without going into sort of

1837
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,600
disparaging of of um sitchin too much i

1838
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,679
will just say that as far as i know to

1839
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,000
the best of my knowledge he never did

1840
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:20,560
apply any genetic sciences to his model

1841
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,800
right because there's an article that

1842
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,640
was written not long before he passed

1843
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:26,800
away and he was pushing for some genetic

1844
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,400
studies to be done of i think it's a

1845
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,159
four thousand five hundred year old

1846
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,880
princess in sumeria life as far as i

1847
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,719
know that was the only real

1848
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:36,880
you know attempt by him to get involved

1849
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:39,520
with genetics so you've got to keep them

1850
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,880
on you know people say you know okay

1851
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,480
that you know

1852
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:44,080
how do you really prove

1853
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,520
something like that if you say humans

1854
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,760
were made 400 000 years ago i'd like

1855
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,159
some genetic data right you know because

1856
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:52,080
otherwise what are you really going on

1857
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,360
apart from a gas yeah so the difference

1858
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,440
here is i'm not just guessing right i

1859
01:12:02,390 --> 01:11:59,760
went into the genetic papers i went into

1860
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:02,400
the genetic studies right but also i

1861
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,840
have something else that he doesn't have

1862
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:04,880
which is

1863
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,120
and then this whistle gets more weird is

1864
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:09,600
i have craft debris from the craft that

1865
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,120
actually brought the engineers i have a

1866
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,520
whole narrative of what happened to them

1867
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,000
why this happened uh dating of craft

1868
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:18,000
material i have dating of the genetic

1869
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:19,199
engineering

1870
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,719
there's a whole lot and that's our cover

1871
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,480
next now you sort of brought that up i

1872
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:24,719
can explain how that's come about hold

1873
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:27,840
on a minute here bruce oh just hold on a

1874
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,280
minute

1875
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,080
what did you just say

1876
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,920
i have craft debris i mean i have in my

1877
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:36,000
house debris from the craft that brought

1878
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:37,760
the engineers here i've identified it

1879
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,679
this material has been tested not by me

1880
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,000
by leading academics there's a hundred

1881
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:44,159
year long mystery about this material

1882
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:46,000
because they can't place it it doesn't

1883
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:46,800
fit

1884
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:51,199
with information that came into my hands

1885
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,239
by some slightly strange means

1886
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:56,320
i know what this material i know what it

1887
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,520
is it dates exactly to when it should do

1888
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:01,280
with these modifications

1889
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,159
right

1890
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:04,560
i have the dating of these genetic

1891
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,040
changes like chromosome 2 and other

1892
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,120
changes really anomalous changes you're

1893
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:11,600
talking about the mutation of two

1894
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,360
that and other things right genes for

1895
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:15,120
example there's brain genes there's a

1896
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:17,199
brain gene right that appears it's

1897
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:18,719
really important for the neocortex

1898
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,800
neocortex is the folds on the on the

1899
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:22,320
brain that we have which gives us

1900
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,440
increased

1901
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:25,360
surface area for more processing right

1902
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,960
it's really important

1903
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:28,400
and this is one of the genes they

1904
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,679
describe it in the paper and this is

1905
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,960
thing there's a lot of scientists who

1906
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:32,880
know that something's up

1907
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,920
so you when you look at the way they

1908
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:35,440
describe things sometimes you read

1909
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:36,560
between the lines because there's a

1910
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,199
paper and they say this genes it seems

1911
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:41,600
to be almost as though someone's cut a

1912
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,480
fragment out of a longer gene xeroxed it

1913
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:46,400
and put it back in when a scientist

1914
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:47,679
starts talking in those terms jimmy

1915
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,880
aren't you thinking

1916
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,719
this doesn't sound this doesn't sound

1917
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,320
right they're talking about cutting

1918
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,159
jeans and xeroxing them and putting them

1919
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:56,800
back in well that's exactly it isn't it

1920
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:00,320
and and and bruce i i don't want to uh i

1921
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,199
don't want anybody to be confused

1922
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:06,000
as to what you just said

1923
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:07,840
yeah you said

1924
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,000
break in in two minutes

1925
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:14,000
so let's establish so we can pick this

1926
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:15,360
up when we come back

1927
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:19,440
you said craft in

1928
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:23,120
in reference to something off world

1929
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:26,400
carried scientists here

1930
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:29,199
and that you have the debris from this

1931
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,239
craft in your possession definitively

1932
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:34,320
definitively that where i would i would

1933
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:35,440
sit with

1934
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,040
any scientist

1935
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:39,280
happily right i reach out to people they

1936
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,480
don't want to talk to me but i will

1937
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:42,400
happily debate with any scientist about

1938
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:44,480
it i'm confident that i have craft

1939
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:47,120
debris and i have accurate dating of the

1940
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:49,520
genetic changes at the same date as the

1941
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:53,920
debris at 800 000 years ago

1942
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:57,040
even more specific 780. 700

1943
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,719
i can be that specific do you have a

1944
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,719
month and a day of the week

1945
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,480
i'm working on it are you working on it

1946
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,120
i'm working on it okay because that's as

1947
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,280
close as i'm gonna get 780. you know

1948
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:09,679
that twitter's freaking out right now in

1949
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:11,760
in the chat rooms okay that's that's

1950
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:14,640
this is strong stuff so when we come

1951
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:17,360
well when we come back uh let's get very

1952
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,560
specific i don't care where it came from

1953
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:22,640
or who gave it to you but we'll get

1954
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:25,520
specific as to what this is and how you

1955
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:27,520
were able to tie all of this together

1956
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,600
absolutely yeah it's key yeah yeah

1957
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:31,280
fascinating let's take a break right

1958
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:33,040
here this is fade to black i'm your host

1959
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:35,199
jimmy church our guest tonight bruce r

1960
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:38,400
fenton we are talking about us

1961
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:42,400
our origins and of course human hybrids

1962
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,520
or is it

1963
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:45,360
hybrid humans you can follow me on

1964
01:15:50,590 --> 01:15:47,600
twitter at j church radio you can also

1965
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:50,600
follow bruce at hybrid humans

1966
01:15:57,390 --> 01:15:53,360
144 right there on twitter we'll be

1967
01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:22,070
[Music]

1968
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:23,230
so

1969
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:45,750
welcome back fade to black i'm yours

1970
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:47,679
jimmy church tonight bruce r fenton is

1971
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:48,970
here

1972
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:50,880
[Music]

1973
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:54,320
man man man okay we gotta pick up right

1974
01:16:58,709 --> 01:16:56,640
where we left off on that blockbuster

1975
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:58,719
right before the break

1976
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:01,440
bruce okay all right let's let's let's

1977
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,880
start uh

1978
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:05,120
let's start to digest what you just

1979
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:06,640
dropped on us

1980
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,320
um

1981
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,560
i i want to talk obviously i got to talk

1982
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,800
about this debris um

1983
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,400
where

1984
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:16,400
were the debris origins are we

1985
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:18,719
suggesting australia

1986
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,159
yes

1987
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:22,080
uh and there's there's quite a bit of it

1988
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,840
we're talking about a very large craft

1989
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,960
right

1990
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:26,640
i'll just quickly tell you

1991
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:28,480
why i was even looking for it because

1992
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:31,280
that fills in a big blank for people

1993
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:33,120
but when i was um

1994
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:34,800
involved with

1995
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,679
my

1996
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:37,280
i was i was involved with research into

1997
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:39,440
a site in ecuador i was living in

1998
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,880
ecuador i don't know some of your

1999
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:42,320
listeners may know the what's called the

2000
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:44,239
lost city of giants in ecuador it was

2001
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,280
covered in

2002
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,280
in mainstream media all over the place

2003
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,880
and all the alternative media there was

2004
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,560
a megalithic site out in the jungle

2005
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:52,159
right i was the

2006
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:53,760
basically the only really the only sort

2007
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,920
of international researcher that was

2008
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:57,600
involved there was local ecuadorians

2009
01:18:02,550 --> 01:17:59,120
that had found the place

2010
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,560
this this site tied into a lost

2011
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,280
culture right of aboriginal type people

2012
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:07,920
that lived in the americas 50 000 years

2013
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:10,239
ago right right first drop that in there

2014
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,640
because that in itself is bizarre right

2015
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:14,480
that's what led me into looking at hey

2016
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:15,760
what's what's going on here in this

2017
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,040
human origin story this doesn't make

2018
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:19,520
sense you've got aboriginal people right

2019
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:22,239
at sites in the jungle 50 000 years ago

2020
01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:23,520
and i started looking into the whole

2021
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,679
human origin story that took me to a

2022
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,840
connection with a couple of guys called

2023
01:18:31,750 --> 01:18:29,040
stephen and evan strong right there

2024
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:31,760
researchers in australia they deal with

2025
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:34,159
with this problem with you know how did

2026
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:36,159
these aboriginal people end up elsewhere

2027
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:37,600
and that's kind of where i got involved

2028
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:38,880
in that but they connected me with

2029
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,840
someone else and this is where it got

2030
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,040
very important this is a lady called

2031
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:43,600
valerie barrow she has a book called al

2032
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:45,360
charinga when the first ancestors were

2033
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:47,920
created published in 2002 about some

2034
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:51,199
experiences she had in 1995.

2035
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:52,960
she encountered

2036
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,679
an artifact a lady came to her house

2037
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:57,360
with an artifact said i feel that you

2038
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,320
know you're meant to look after this

2039
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:59,840
because your house is called alcharinga

2040
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,520
now charinga is an aboriginal word

2041
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,600
meaning the dreamtime the object that

2042
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:05,600
she had with her is called a charinga

2043
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:08,480
stone and they're considered by the

2044
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:09,360
well there's a couple of different

2045
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:11,120
tribes in australia who consider these

2046
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:12,080
to be

2047
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,080
objects that go back to the dream time

2048
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,000
when human beings were created and that

2049
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:18,640
they contain the consciousness of

2050
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,280
entities that were present at that time

2051
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:23,520
and that they can pass on information to

2052
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:24,880
people now you'd think at first thing

2053
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:27,040
okay wacky magic stones you know all

2054
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:28,400
this stuff but

2055
01:19:31,910 --> 01:19:29,520
that's that's obviously what you think

2056
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:31,920
at first but the weird thing is when you

2057
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:34,480
start looking a bit more into this

2058
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,840
i think that what they what the

2059
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:37,360
aboriginal people have is something

2060
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,640
called a brace well probe now if people

2061
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:42,400
go away later and look at this that it's

2062
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,960
theorized by a number of leading you

2063
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:47,520
know scientists and you know in space

2064
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:48,640
sciences

2065
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:50,960
that advanced civilizations will send

2066
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:53,120
out probes you know as part of their own

2067
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:55,040
seti if you like they'll send out these

2068
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:56,640
little probes they'll go off to planets

2069
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,080
where they think there's going to be

2070
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,560
some chance of life or civilizations and

2071
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:02,080
those things can lie dormant like

2072
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,960
sentinels that will monitor the planet

2073
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:07,120
and that when they when they detect

2074
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:08,640
something you know they can send back

2075
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,239
information and that they will have on

2076
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,719
board their own artificial intelligence

2077
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:14,000
and one of the things about bracelet

2078
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:16,080
probes that excites scientists is they

2079
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,000
say well there's the possibility that

2080
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:20,159
they could be programmed to make contact

2081
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,679
and that when they do you know they can

2082
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:24,080
actually communicate directly with us

2083
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:25,920
this is exactly what happens right this

2084
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,360
lady encounters this object within a

2085
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:29,120
couple of days i've decided yes i'll

2086
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:30,719
look after it and there's this other

2087
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,920
lady who had it was ill was trying to

2088
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,360
get it back to the aboriginal people

2089
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:35,920
she's considered sacred right she leaves

2090
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:37,199
it with her within a couple of days she

2091
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:38,880
starts having a voice talking like

2092
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:40,320
directly into her head like a kind of

2093
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,880
telepathic you know transfer you call it

2094
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:44,560
download whatever you want to call it

2095
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:45,679
obviously we now know there's

2096
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:47,440
voice-to-skill technologies right

2097
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:49,520
they're being used by even scientists

2098
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:52,000
now so think about that next generation

2099
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,800
right so this thing is talking in a head

2100
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:56,239
and it tells her look you know i'm the

2101
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:57,840
i'm a consciousness

2102
01:21:02,950 --> 01:21:00,800
of a star person of an extraterrestrial

2103
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:02,960
from a civilization that has visited

2104
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,040
this planet in the remote past i have

2105
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:07,920
con i've influenced the minds of people

2106
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,880
to come to your house because

2107
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,719
i want to reveal to you

2108
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,960
this lost history it calculates for

2109
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:16,159
whatever reason that she's going to be

2110
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:17,360
able to get this information out

2111
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:18,560
consider that i now have this

2112
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:20,239
information and we're talking to you so

2113
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:21,679
this artificial intelligence knows what

2114
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:23,520
the hell it's doing right it gives you

2115
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:26,840
this whole long story of of house

2116
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,679
basically this craft an enormous craft

2117
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:32,080
like a kilometer across craft and it's

2118
01:21:36,630 --> 01:21:34,159
it's not metal right it's a crystalline

2119
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:36,640
craft it says it's grown in a crystal

2120
01:21:42,229 --> 01:21:40,159
matrix it has a living ai consciousness

2121
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:42,239
carries 50 thousand beings assorted

2122
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,320
beings from an alliance that comes to

2123
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,920
this planet now first of all that's

2124
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:47,520
gonna sound a bit whacky think crystal

2125
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:48,960
ships whoa what's that about is this

2126
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,199
some sort of new age thing you know but

2127
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:53,600
when you start looking at what the

2128
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:57,040
leading minds yeah in the ai field and

2129
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:58,080
in

2130
01:22:02,870 --> 01:21:59,840
space sciences when they start to

2131
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:02,880
theorize about aliens they quickly go to

2132
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:05,840
post biological entities right and when

2133
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,360
you look at their description they say

2134
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,679
what we expect is not to encounter

2135
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:11,600
biological beings right but to to

2136
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:15,440
encounter silicon entities sure ai yeah

2137
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,880
that's that's where the science goes

2138
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:19,199
yeah very quickly so now if you think

2139
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,960
about it right they've got this they're

2140
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:22,400
saying that he's described this being is

2141
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,880
describing their craft was a giant

2142
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:27,360
living silica network right and it makes

2143
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:28,719
a heck of a lot of sense instead of

2144
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,000
putting a little computer you know a

2145
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,080
little crappy computer on your ship the

2146
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:34,400
ship is the computer the whole thing is

2147
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:36,320
processing power right

2148
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:39,520
it's a living ship it arrives here

2149
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:41,440
but there is a problem now it's arrived

2150
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:43,120
with a specific mission it's a colony

2151
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,960
ship but there is an agreement with

2152
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:47,040
another party who is already here on the

2153
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:49,360
planet this planet is occupied right by

2154
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:50,560
another group and they're not very

2155
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,400
friendly but they have an agreement

2156
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:54,159
there's going to be a transfer there's

2157
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,920
going to be a handover of earth to this

2158
01:22:58,390 --> 01:22:57,040
alliance

2159
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,400
now this doesn't quite work out there's

2160
01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,480
a it describes there's a betrayal the

2161
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:02,719
ship is destroyed in space

2162
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,719
it rains it melts it's hit with what

2163
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:06,480
they call as a um

2164
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,360
electromagnetic resonance weaponry

2165
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,520
basically vibrates the molecules of the

2166
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:13,920
ship apart and melts in space there's a

2167
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:17,360
description that fragments rain down

2168
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:19,280
right a few survivors managed to leave

2169
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,920
the mothership in smaller craft and they

2170
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:23,440
make their way down to the surface

2171
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:25,120
landing at a place called gosford which

2172
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:26,960
is known today for the gosford glyphs

2173
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,760
controversial seemingly egyptian glyphs

2174
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:32,000
right right in australia right so that

2175
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:34,960
some people will know as well now okay

2176
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:36,159
i'm the kind of person who doesn't like

2177
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:37,920
to just swallow all that i mean yeah it

2178
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:40,080
can be true but hey you know where's the

2179
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:41,360
proof right

2180
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:42,639
so

2181
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:45,920
hundred thousand years ago roughly let's

2182
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,440
say and then another date i've seen her

2183
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,600
saying somewhere between 700 to 900

2184
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:51,600
right so i'm thinking okay i'm going to

2185
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:52,880
look firstly i want to look in the

2186
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,320
geological record i want to see if

2187
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,159
there's anything like that because i

2188
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:58,400
know metal won't last right so if you've

2189
01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:00,400
got a metal ship i don't think there's

2190
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,239
any chance of finding it hundreds of

2191
01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:03,840
thousands of years later

2192
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:06,400
but silica is different silica materials

2193
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,400
can last for hundreds of possibly

2194
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:10,159
millions of years right

2195
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,440
so i'm looking like okay is there gonna

2196
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:13,679
be anything like this

2197
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:14,880
i couldn't believe it you know because

2198
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:16,080
there's a bit of you still thinking you

2199
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,920
know hundreds of thousands of years ago

2200
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:19,440
you know even if this is real you know

2201
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:22,320
am i going to find anything like this

2202
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:24,800
and it turns out there's a a 100 year

2203
01:24:28,950 --> 01:24:26,800
long mystery in science about this

2204
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:28,960
material australia they call australite

2205
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:31,840
buttons australic type buttons right

2206
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:33,760
and the reason why they're a mystery is

2207
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,880
because

2208
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:36,239
the only way they look a bit like a

2209
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:37,760
button but if you what's actually

2210
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,400
happened is they say that an object

2211
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,239
exploded in space

2212
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:44,639
it melted instantly turned into liquid

2213
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:46,480
the liquid formed spheres which only

2214
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:48,320
happens in a vacuum with liquors right

2215
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:50,480
in the sphere so that they froze

2216
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:52,080
instantly so where's that it's gonna be

2217
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,159
space the cold of space right and so

2218
01:24:57,430 --> 01:24:55,920
they look at the the shaping they say

2219
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:57,440
then it looks like that these these

2220
01:25:01,830 --> 01:25:00,159
balls moved in a horizontal plane of the

2221
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,840
earth like so in other words a decaying

2222
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:03,679
orbit not coming straight down but in an

2223
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,840
orbit coming slowly down allowed them to

2224
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,920
gradually melt and they form these

2225
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,440
shield shapes at the front so you get

2226
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:11,280
the front part of the sphere melts goes

2227
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:13,679
backwards forms these buttons right

2228
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:15,679
so in the whole geological record of the

2229
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:16,719
planet

2230
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:19,280
these occur once right in 4.5 billion

2231
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:20,800
years they occur once and they're dated

2232
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:24,080
at 780 000 years now geologists they've

2233
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,199
thrown everything at this they've said

2234
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:27,280
well you know it must be it must be an

2235
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:28,880
asteroid or a comet that's hit the

2236
01:25:33,189 --> 01:25:30,719
planet right and it's and it's hit and

2237
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,199
it's thrown the debris back into space

2238
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,960
and then it's rained down again which is

2239
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:36,800
their best argument okay bear this in

2240
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,600
mind

2241
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:39,199
now that doesn't work there's a number

2242
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:42,080
of reasons why firstly there's no crater

2243
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:46,000
yeah how big how big are these parabolic

2244
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,080
buttons how big are they

2245
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:50,719
um only um a few centimeters across okay

2246
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:53,040
they're not very big okay right got it

2247
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:54,960
and so what they found is that they said

2248
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,280
well okay we expect the crater to be oh

2249
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:59,440
sorry i should add here right these this

2250
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,679
type of material is spread from

2251
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:03,199
antarctica

2252
01:26:08,149 --> 01:26:06,560
all the way up to laos and china right

2253
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,159
it covers in fact you can find small

2254
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:10,320
pieces microtectites from this covering

2255
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:12,000
i think they've calculated about a

2256
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,480
quarter of the world's surface right so

2257
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:16,159
this is can you imagine an impact that

2258
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:18,320
would throw debris around the core of

2259
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:20,880
the world's surface it's very unlikely

2260
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,280
for a start but on top of that they said

2261
01:26:26,070 --> 01:26:24,719
well there should be an enormous crater

2262
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:26,080
because they've calculated the object

2263
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,120
must be about

2264
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:30,000
one kilometer diameter across right so

2265
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,440
they're looking for this massive crater

2266
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,040
and they know that the debris field ends

2267
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:35,280
in sort of laos southern china

2268
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:37,280
and there is no sign right of this

2269
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:39,199
crater there's chunks of material there

2270
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:41,679
that weigh 20 kilos right how far does a

2271
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,239
20 kilo chunk go not far right so if

2272
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:45,840
you've got the in that has to be the

2273
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:47,520
impact site if there was an impact right

2274
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:49,440
there's there's nothing there

2275
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:50,639
then they looked and they thought well

2276
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:51,679
also you've got a problem they said

2277
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:53,120
because these are nasa studies right as

2278
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:55,120
well the nasa studies say well look

2279
01:26:58,950 --> 01:26:56,639
the only way that these things could

2280
01:27:01,030 --> 01:26:58,960
have formed again is in space so even if

2281
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:01,040
material was thrown up you know it

2282
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:02,560
wouldn't be liquid by the time it got to

2283
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:04,000
space it would have cooled down going

2284
01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:05,040
through the atmosphere and he'd been

2285
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,639
solid and he was so he wouldn't have

2286
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,719
these fears so they had to discount that

2287
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,400
they said look the only way this has

2288
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,400
happened is if an object has exploded

2289
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:14,639
now the second thing is right these are

2290
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:18,239
80 silica from melted quartz right so

2291
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,560
you've got this object that is now

2292
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:22,400
eighty percent quartz right and they

2293
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,960
said and it has to be an orbit around

2294
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:26,560
the planet

2295
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:28,960
you think about jamie you got a giant

2296
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:32,000
crystal orbiting the planet right for a

2297
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,280
star

2298
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:35,280
it's like a kilometer across nasa's

2299
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:37,360
telling us it must have been in orbit

2300
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:40,239
right and then it explodes right for no

2301
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:42,320
no comprehensible reason it's not an

2302
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:44,000
asteroid it doesn't have the same

2303
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:45,840
chemical composition asteroid can't be a

2304
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,600
comet comets just come straight slamming

2305
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:49,520
in right they don't start orbiting the

2306
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,639
planet yeah and then we've got

2307
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,320
obviously the what i expect this high

2308
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:56,800
silica content from melted quartz as

2309
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:58,480
this entity is saying you know this is a

2310
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:00,320
crystalline ship it has other elements

2311
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:03,199
in it but it's largely crystalline

2312
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:05,679
the dating 780 000 right so i've got

2313
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:07,520
this like i'm like oh my god right this

2314
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:10,080
is perfect match perfect match i know

2315
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:11,440
this is an orbiting object i know it's

2316
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:13,920
crystalline etcetera etcetera right the

2317
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,840
second thing is in this same information

2318
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:17,280
there's another

2319
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:18,800
really important anonymous event it says

2320
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:19,679
that

2321
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,520
five you know survivors have landed

2322
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:23,280
right some of them are dying they can't

2323
01:28:27,430 --> 01:28:25,600
really live here they move on to plan b

2324
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:27,440
they can't colonize what they decide

2325
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:30,560
instead is to upgrade a hominin species

2326
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:32,719
that already lives here and essentially

2327
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:34,719
transfer their emission objectives onto

2328
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:37,120
these hominins now not only do they

2329
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,320
think that that's beneficial to the

2330
01:28:42,149 --> 01:28:40,000
hominins but it is a self-interest as

2331
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:42,159
well because these beings are capable of

2332
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:44,159
transferring their consciousness upon

2333
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,960
death directing their incarnations right

2334
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,120
into these hominins it's almost like

2335
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:51,360
creating a spacesuit for yourself right

2336
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,719
some really weird stuff but you know

2337
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:54,239
remember we're dealing with

2338
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,520
very very odd beings here these are not

2339
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:59,040
your average guy

2340
01:29:01,590 --> 01:29:00,400
right and then on top of that we have

2341
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:01,600
another event

2342
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,159
because they say that five years later a

2343
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:06,639
second mission arrives and these are not

2344
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,080
these are not colonists you know this is

2345
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:10,960
a military um detachment that is sent to

2346
01:29:14,709 --> 01:29:13,440
enforce the original agreement warns the

2347
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:14,719
group that's already on the planet

2348
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:16,719
that's done this betrayal tells them you

2349
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,159
know get off the planet or we're going

2350
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,239
to bombard you from space

2351
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,800
now this second group they say look you

2352
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:24,400
know most of them say look we don't want

2353
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:26,159
trouble we're going to go you know we

2354
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,199
shouldn't really have betrayed the

2355
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,280
agreement and most of them go back to

2356
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:30,960
where they say from orion they go

2357
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,520
through the jump gate they go they leave

2358
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:35,440
but not all of them and at this point

2359
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,239
this

2360
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:38,480
second group who are

2361
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:41,199
described as leonines you know humanoid

2362
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:43,040
leonine headed beings that's how

2363
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:45,840
described right that they then pull in

2364
01:29:50,070 --> 01:29:47,840
asteroids from space and they say that

2365
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,080
we use these as our main weaponry we

2366
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:52,560
don't just fire lasers or rockets we can

2367
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:55,199
throw down objects so large we can split

2368
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,520
a planet open right but that's not the

2369
01:30:01,189 --> 01:29:59,199
intention they just want to hit these

2370
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:01,199
underground bases where these beings are

2371
01:30:04,070 --> 01:30:02,080
okay

2372
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:04,080
now it sounds again wacky you know geez

2373
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:05,760
you know this sounds a bit far out and

2374
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:07,199
i'm thinking you know well if something

2375
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:09,360
like that really happened surely there

2376
01:30:13,030 --> 01:30:11,120
would be some evidence you know this is

2377
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:13,040
something major you know because they

2378
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:14,320
say they've bombarded the planet from

2379
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:16,239
multiple directions with asteroids i

2380
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:17,840
mean geez you know

2381
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,480
i've never heard of that so again i go

2382
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:22,159
into the geological records where i go

2383
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:24,400
into the papers i'm looking for anything

2384
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:25,760
anything like that

2385
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:29,199
turns out that in 2016 a german

2386
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:30,960
geological team

2387
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:32,880
only goes and uncovers that earth was

2388
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:35,440
hit by a multi-directional asteroid

2389
01:30:41,189 --> 01:30:38,719
bombardment and guess when 780 000 years

2390
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:41,199
ago right and they found the impacts of

2391
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:45,120
it africa mexico tasmania all over the

2392
01:30:48,870 --> 01:30:47,040
place and they're not asteroids from a

2393
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:48,880
single swarm they said the chemical

2394
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:51,040
compositions are different as though

2395
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:52,719
someone's just pulling in asteroids

2396
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,480
right from the asteroid belt this is not

2397
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:56,400
a swarm and they're hitting the planet

2398
01:31:01,590 --> 01:30:58,719
from different directions so again you

2399
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:01,600
know swarm doesn't really do that yeah i

2400
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:03,679
think hang on a minute this is bizarre

2401
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:06,480
you've got this object that's in orbit

2402
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:09,360
708 000 years ago right you've got now

2403
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:10,719
you've got the second thing it said the

2404
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,360
major thing this bombardment 780 000

2405
01:31:17,430 --> 01:31:15,120
years ago and keep in mind valerie's

2406
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:17,440
book is published 2002 she can't know

2407
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:19,440
about this study yeah it doesn't come

2408
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,480
out to 2016 right right right yeah so

2409
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:24,480
it's important uh and then the third

2410
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,800
thing of course is well what about this

2411
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,080
engineering of humans because then

2412
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:30,159
apparently they're engineering humans

2413
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:32,320
and as we touched on earlier it now

2414
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,800
turns out that the chromosome fusion and

2415
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:36,080
a lot of other things that are going on

2416
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:37,760
the sudden expansion of the brain are

2417
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:40,639
all dating back to 780 000 years ago

2418
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:42,639
exactly in line with the events that

2419
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:45,520
this entity in this object this let's

2420
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:47,280
call it a bracewell probe because it

2421
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:49,520
matches that description uh this thing

2422
01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:51,600
seems to have activated he has made

2423
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:53,679
contact it has transferred its

2424
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:55,760
recordings of the history of this planet

2425
01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:57,600
is passing that on

2426
01:32:01,350 --> 01:31:59,840
it basically has given us the whole

2427
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:01,360
download saying that you know this is

2428
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:02,960
all stuff that now needs to be restored

2429
01:32:06,950 --> 01:32:04,719
at this time to us we need to know what

2430
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:06,960
actually happened

2431
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:08,639
and with those three things you don't

2432
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:10,000
hear a point where hang on a minute you

2433
01:32:12,149 --> 01:32:10,800
know

2434
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:12,159
these are each one of these are

2435
01:32:17,430 --> 01:32:14,400
anomalies right massive massive

2436
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:17,440
anomalies now to line up free anomalies

2437
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,639
in time like that so major and that

2438
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:22,800
they're coming from the prediction from

2439
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:25,440
an extraterrestrial right that's in this

2440
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,600
this object and it's telling us that and

2441
01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:29,040
keep in mind the aboriginal people who

2442
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:30,639
have these things these trigger stones

2443
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:32,960
their law their mythology is that they

2444
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:34,960
contain the consciousness of the first

2445
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:36,880
creating beings right so there's a

2446
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:39,600
coherent consistent story about these

2447
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:41,600
objects right and that they're scared of

2448
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:43,280
them right they don't like to be around

2449
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:45,040
them they're only kept they're kept in

2450
01:32:50,470 --> 01:32:48,159
caves secretly occasionally a shaman you

2451
01:32:52,229 --> 01:32:50,480
know a clever man elder will bring them

2452
01:32:53,590 --> 01:32:52,239
out for ceremonial purposes other people

2453
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,600
don't want to touch them right they know

2454
01:32:57,430 --> 01:32:55,679
that these things are powerful and can

2455
01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:57,440
be a problem okay

2456
01:33:00,870 --> 01:32:59,040
right and this is their own law you can

2457
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:00,880
you know go and look into tringer stones

2458
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:02,320
they'll see that this they're not

2459
01:33:06,070 --> 01:33:03,840
something anyone just goes and messes

2460
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:06,080
around with right

2461
01:33:10,149 --> 01:33:08,560
so well let me jump in let me let's jump

2462
01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:10,159
in yeah i do no i want to ask you a

2463
01:33:12,149 --> 01:33:11,360
quick question

2464
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:12,159
um

2465
01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:17,199
does any of this involve the fox p2 gene

2466
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:19,280
yeah there's modifications on the fox p2

2467
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,639
gene at the beginning of the split

2468
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:22,560
between denisovans

2469
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:24,400
and us it's one of the genes that they

2470
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:26,239
have modified yeah

2471
01:33:30,070 --> 01:33:28,239
seriously because the

2472
01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:30,080
uh i just

2473
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:32,719
the there is research that supports the

2474
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:36,719
fox p2 gene indus and denisovan one

2475
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:39,440
and two about this time

2476
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:41,600
about 800 000 years ago

2477
01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:44,400
speech like real speech talking

2478
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:47,120
started to happen uh with uh the

2479
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,960
denisovan and possibly other uh species

2480
01:33:55,990 --> 01:33:53,440
on this planet is this all tied all the

2481
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:56,000
way back to gosford

2482
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:57,360
it is tied to that i'll tell you

2483
01:34:02,070 --> 01:33:58,719
something else that ties in if you're

2484
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:02,080
following the work of um dr gary nolan

2485
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:04,080
and dr kit green you know what they're

2486
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:05,120
doing

2487
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:06,480
um one of the things they've been

2488
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:08,639
looking at is this um chordate you know

2489
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:10,080
this area of the brain which they

2490
01:34:14,070 --> 01:34:12,880
suspect is to do with intuition right

2491
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:14,080
the weird thing is i was digging into

2492
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:15,280
some papers the other day because you

2493
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:16,960
know i find their work quite fascinating

2494
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,639
because if i'm i'm obviously people can

2495
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:20,159
guess by now i'm a bit of a geek for

2496
01:34:25,669 --> 01:34:22,480
this stuff um and so i'm looking at i

2497
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:25,679
found that funnily enough this fox p2

2498
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,639
gene that's been modified it also

2499
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:30,560
expresses itself in that area that

2500
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:32,080
they're looking at so if you think about

2501
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:34,000
it you've got this gene that not only is

2502
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:35,920
it giving us language abilities it seems

2503
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:38,239
to be implicated in the same region

2504
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:40,560
which is giving us intuition so isn't

2505
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:42,320
that funny that you've got this

2506
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:44,159
modification that gives us not only you

2507
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:46,000
know increased speech but probably is

2508
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:48,320
giving us psychic abilities right the

2509
01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:50,639
same the same modification now that's

2510
01:34:56,629 --> 01:34:54,320
pretty uncanny it is and the timing too

2511
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:56,639
if we're pushing this back to 800 000

2512
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:58,560
years that's where they're you know

2513
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:01,600
they're suggesting with uh dennis oven

2514
01:35:06,470 --> 01:35:04,000
and it all ties back into gosford oh i

2515
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:06,480
wanted to ask you i want to stay on this

2516
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:08,719
why gosford

2517
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:10,400
why did they come down there i believe

2518
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,320
that the craft was in geostationary

2519
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:14,639
orbit above antarctica when it was hit

2520
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:16,080
and i think so when they came down they

2521
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:18,159
came down to the nearest landmass which

2522
01:35:21,270 --> 01:35:20,159
was southern australia it just happened

2523
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:21,280
that that's the area of southern

2524
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,719
australia they made it to that they

2525
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:24,000
landed in

2526
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,320
the description in valerie's work she

2527
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,800
had an event right the

2528
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:30,400
she met with an aboriginal elder he was

2529
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:32,480
a well-known very respected elder a

2530
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:34,480
famous healer who turned up at her house

2531
01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:36,320
with a friend of hers they got talking

2532
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:38,960
it comes out you know about the object

2533
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:40,480
he says it's men's business you

2534
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:41,600
shouldn't have it here they have a bit

2535
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:43,360
of a conversation in the end he's happy

2536
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:44,719
with the situation that she has it's

2537
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:46,320
stored away in a box and isn't messing

2538
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:48,000
around with it he says look you need to

2539
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:49,679
go to gosford this is a really special

2540
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:52,239
place we have law about this place that

2541
01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:54,080
it's to do with this you know this dream

2542
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:55,040
time

2543
01:35:59,350 --> 01:35:57,840
takes her there they go and have this

2544
01:36:00,870 --> 01:35:59,360
exploration there the glyphs and all

2545
01:36:02,950 --> 01:36:00,880
these things and then they walk up to

2546
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:02,960
the top of this this large rock outcrop

2547
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:04,960
which is at gosford where the glyphs are

2548
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:06,639
and suddenly they have a time slip and

2549
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:07,920
i'm sure you know a lot of people they

2550
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:08,880
don't know about time slips do they

2551
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:10,080
happen sometimes people suddenly find

2552
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:11,600
themselves you know no longer in the

2553
01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:13,040
time that they're in you know they're i

2554
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:14,080
mean there's a famous case where a

2555
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:15,440
couple of women find themselves facing

2556
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:16,159
the

2557
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:39,040
source of craft hovering above it

2558
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:40,800
pulling beings out of the water they

2559
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,480
look at themselves and they realize they

2560
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:44,400
are no longer human they have elongated

2561
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:46,400
heads they've got no hair they're tall

2562
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:48,480
and spindly you know the three of them

2563
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:49,840
realize that they are now they've

2564
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:51,920
slipped back to some past life where

2565
01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:53,600
they are non-humans and they are

2566
01:36:58,870 --> 01:36:56,719
witnessing the aftermath of this event

2567
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:58,880
and that the craft you know have managed

2568
01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:00,320
to get down but at least one of them has

2569
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:02,159
been damaging the way down has crashed

2570
01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:03,760
and that there are beings on the beach

2571
01:37:07,830 --> 01:37:05,440
injured you know and they get they see

2572
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,840
the whole replay right this is early on

2573
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:09,920
in in her work she sort of has this

2574
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:11,520
experience so she actually sees it they

2575
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,239
also have a recall um jerry the guy that

2576
01:37:17,669 --> 01:37:16,480
this aboriginal elder he actually

2577
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:17,679
realized as well that he says this

2578
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:19,040
meshes with a dream that i've been

2579
01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:20,639
having throughout my life where i'm on

2580
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:22,800
this large white ship and that suddenly

2581
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,639
the alarms start going and i have to

2582
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:26,400
take my family and rush to an escape

2583
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:28,400
craft he said i've had this dream all my

2584
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:30,560
life now i understand you know this is

2585
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:32,239
the other part of it where i come down

2586
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:34,560
and i crash like he realizes he died in

2587
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:35,760
the water

2588
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,719
so they

2589
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:38,960
so it's really full on this stuff and at

2590
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:40,960
this point al charinga this being in

2591
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:43,280
this object tells very look you're also

2592
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:44,400
you're gonna

2593
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:46,080
encounter quite a lot of people that

2594
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,239
have memories of this event right and in

2595
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:50,159
the coming sort of months she ends up

2596
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,000
meeting about 30 different people right

2597
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,159
who each one of them has some memories

2598
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:55,920
of this event yeah it starts coming up

2599
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:58,080
like one person she's in a car park and

2600
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:59,600
someone comes up to and says i've got to

2601
01:38:04,070 --> 01:38:01,840
talk to you sits in her car goes into a

2602
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:04,080
trance right and starts telling her i

2603
01:38:07,350 --> 01:38:05,840
remember being on the ship you know it's

2604
01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,360
that weird you know when weird comes

2605
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:09,600
into your life you know it it gets super

2606
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:11,520
weird pretty fast right like any

2607
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:14,159
experiences and contactings know that um

2608
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,239
so basically she has that going on she

2609
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:18,560
has the entity talking to her she has a

2610
01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:20,239
follow-up lot of weirdness coming from

2611
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:21,600
these people that are remembering the

2612
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,920
event you know on top of it and the two

2613
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:25,760
stories are coinciding so she's getting

2614
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,440
their past life memories and they're

2615
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:28,960
matching with what this altaring is

2616
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:30,800
telling her as what's happened right

2617
01:38:37,189 --> 01:38:33,840
there's a whole really weird full-on

2618
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:37,199
event going on around her yeah from my i

2619
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:38,159
can't say i'm going to say look i'm

2620
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:39,840
going to go for all of approval no i've

2621
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,880
chosen

2622
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:42,560
the key points right because yeah

2623
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:44,239
obviously there's little details where

2624
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:46,000
some things don't last

2625
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,159
780 000 years so that's why i've picked

2626
01:38:52,870 --> 01:38:50,960
obviously the craft the bombardment and

2627
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,880
the genetic engineering because those

2628
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:54,000
were the three things i thought well

2629
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:56,080
there's some hope of actually testing

2630
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:57,679
those and coming back with some

2631
01:39:01,990 --> 01:39:00,159
reasonable science where i can

2632
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:02,000
argue my case because look i wouldn't be

2633
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:03,600
i wouldn't be on here talking about if i

2634
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:05,760
didn't feel confident that this was

2635
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,679
solid i wouldn't put myself out there

2636
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:09,119
for it just to people to laugh about it

2637
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:12,400
you know i mean yeah sure sure and and i

2638
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:14,159
want to get to a couple of specifics

2639
01:39:19,270 --> 01:39:16,400
here about this debris

2640
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:19,280
um because you indicated uh

2641
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:21,199
which i understand just for

2642
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:24,480
clarification for transparency that it's

2643
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:28,080
it was a it was a crash

2644
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:31,760
sort of in that there were escape craft

2645
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:34,880
that uh ascended down to earth

2646
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:36,639
right okay so

2647
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:39,119
the debris that you have

2648
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:40,480
is it from

2649
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:42,880
the disintegrated craft that was

2650
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,440
orbiting earth or is it from one of the

2651
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,760
craft that came down

2652
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:49,520
it's from the the larger craft what

2653
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,719
happened is

2654
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:53,119
this this object once basically once the

2655
01:39:57,109 --> 01:39:55,280
large craft was hit with these weapons

2656
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:57,119
and it disintegrated

2657
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,480
obviously it wasn't

2658
01:40:02,229 --> 01:40:00,400
all of it liquefied but there was quite

2659
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,239
a lot of it that was melted to liquid

2660
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:04,400
right to this liquid crystal which then

2661
01:40:08,070 --> 01:40:06,320
causes these these balls but there's

2662
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,080
other larger chunks and so if you

2663
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:10,000
imagine for us you've got a decaying

2664
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:11,679
orbit and it's coming down from

2665
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,400
antarctica and it's coming in towards

2666
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:16,560
the earth's upper atmosphere right the

2667
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,960
first wave of debris is this molten

2668
01:40:22,310 --> 01:40:20,719
glass which has become these spheres

2669
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:22,320
these little balls they're rolling and

2670
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:23,840
they're having to enter the atmosphere

2671
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:26,000
and then they're melting as they go in

2672
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,000
but the larger pieces right they break

2673
01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:29,920
through the atmosphere and so that would

2674
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:32,560
be around about central australia so

2675
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:34,080
after that you have a different type of

2676
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:37,040
debris right these larger pieces come in

2677
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:39,119
and they cause air bursts because

2678
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,800
obviously they build up so much energy

2679
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:42,080
there's a point as they pass through the

2680
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:43,840
atmosphere they explode they explode and

2681
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:46,800
they yeah so these throw out showers of

2682
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:48,800
australia in a second form which is it's

2683
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,360
called well there's dumbbells teardrop

2684
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:54,480
shapes and um cores which they don't

2685
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:55,840
look like these buttons but they're

2686
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:56,880
different and the reason for that is

2687
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,920
because yeah they've already breached

2688
01:41:01,990 --> 01:41:00,000
the atmosphere in a larger piece then

2689
01:41:04,229 --> 01:41:02,000
they explode so they don't get these

2690
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:04,239
signature button shapes right and that

2691
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:06,800
debris field goes on all the way across

2692
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:09,199
to southeast asia you can find them in

2693
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:12,239
the philippines in laos southern china

2694
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:13,520
and that's the end of the field then you

2695
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:16,080
have a type called muang nong tektite

2696
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:18,560
and that is layered strange layers of

2697
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:20,639
this material which again are mysterious

2698
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,480
nobody really knows how those formed you

2699
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:24,480
know they're very bizarre that's where

2700
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:26,159
you've got these 20 kilo chunks and

2701
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:28,560
stuff so we we know the whole angular

2702
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:30,639
path of this decaying orbit it basically

2703
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,880
is from antarctica down to sort of

2704
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:34,400
southern china and you can kind of

2705
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:35,679
picture in your mind and you know that

2706
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,639
obviously there's a point where it

2707
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:38,480
breaches the atmosphere you no longer

2708
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:40,080
get these small pieces coming down from

2709
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:41,440
space and that's why we can see the

2710
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:43,119
debris field change

2711
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:44,800
right and it matches exactly with

2712
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:46,000
expectations and the reason why it

2713
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:47,760
covers so much of the planet you know a

2714
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:49,040
third of the planet or something with

2715
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,880
this mature is because it's raining down

2716
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,639
an explosion from space so this material

2717
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:54,239
is getting shot off everywhere right

2718
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:56,239
it's not coming down in like how an

2719
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,760
asteroid would come down in a singular

2720
01:42:01,430 --> 01:42:00,239
path right you know they usually you

2721
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,440
know you don't have a small area

2722
01:42:05,189 --> 01:42:03,440
affected by an asteroid yeah because

2723
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:05,199
obviously they're very omni-directional

2724
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:06,880
they just hit in one place you know even

2725
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:08,480
if a few bits come off

2726
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:10,480
they'll be within you know say a few

2727
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:12,560
hundred kilometers but this is a third

2728
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:13,920
of the planet's surface it's because

2729
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:15,199
it's something's exploding out in all

2730
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,040
directions it's being hit with weaponry

2731
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:19,199
right and so the pieces are going

2732
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:21,199
everywhere they're raining down you know

2733
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,920
for

2734
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:23,920
thousands of miles out of this about

2735
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:25,440
this path you know you've got lots of

2736
01:42:29,750 --> 01:42:27,199
debris that's been blown out by the

2737
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:29,760
forces of the explosion right so exactly

2738
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:32,159
meshing with our expectations of an

2739
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:33,920
object that's been hit with weaponry is

2740
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,440
how we see the debris field and that's

2741
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:37,600
why it's such an enormous debris field

2742
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:39,360
and because the craft so big the chunks

2743
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:40,880
that are coming in you know some of

2744
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:42,000
these are still quite large when they

2745
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:43,600
form these aerial bursts so we have

2746
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:44,960
quite a lot of material that comes down

2747
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:47,040
across southeast asia there's nothing

2748
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:49,119
else in the record of the planet at all

2749
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:50,159
like this

2750
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:51,920
i mean there's not there's tektite but

2751
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:53,760
they they form much smaller fields than

2752
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:55,600
this and there's only four strewn fields

2753
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,000
of tectite so i mean tektite itself is

2754
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:00,560
kind of implicitly weird but only the

2755
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:03,520
australitectide has that button form and

2756
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:06,320
it's the only one that is spread so far

2757
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:07,920
let's take a break right here

2758
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:10,239
fascinating conversation this is fade to

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01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:12,639
black our guest tonight bruce r fenton

2760
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:16,880
we are talking about the origins of us

2761
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:19,040
amazing i can't wait to get back after

2762
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,639
this short break you can follow me on

2763
01:43:25,790 --> 01:43:23,119
twitter at j church radio you can follow

2764
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:25,800
bruce at

2765
01:43:28,690 --> 01:43:28,239
hybridhumans144 on twitter we'll be

2766
01:43:31,470 --> 01:43:28,700
right

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01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:31,480
[Music]

2768
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:34,670
back on jimmychurchradio.com

2769
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:47,840
[Music]

2770
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:49,520
welcome back fade to black coming out

2771
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:51,520
jimmy church fascinating conversation

2772
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:52,639
tonight

2773
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:54,400
bruce r fenton is here we're talking

2774
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:58,000
about the origins of us

2775
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,080
800 000 years ago it it appears that it

2776
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:04,960
went down right there in australia bruce

2777
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:06,400
we've clearly

2778
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:08,159
established that

2779
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:11,440
and what i want to we've got one segment

2780
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:14,480
left uh to talk about the the hybrid

2781
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:18,480
human human hybrid uh side of this and

2782
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:21,520
the changes that occurred so

2783
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:24,000
um with okay

2784
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:25,199
when

2785
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:27,199
i want to go back to sitchin for just a

2786
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:30,239
second uh in the discussion of because i

2787
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,719
want to talk about where these species

2788
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,800
came from off planet

2789
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:36,639
you know obviously the conversation is

2790
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:40,080
always about nibiru and and the anunnaki

2791
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:44,800
and them doing a snip snip to uh our dna

2792
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:47,440
and establishing those changes

2793
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:48,400
um

2794
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:52,880
what they are

2795
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:54,960
uh could they have suggested the very

2796
01:45:00,229 --> 01:44:57,920
same thing it just happened at another

2797
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:00,239
place in another time in the timeline is

2798
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,239
off somewhat and and so forth and where

2799
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:06,960
did these ships come from

2800
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:09,040
were they from nibiru if you know what i

2801
01:45:12,149 --> 01:45:10,560
mean

2802
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:12,159
i think that if people look really

2803
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:14,560
closely what the um sumerians and the

2804
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:17,119
mesopotamian civilizations say and not

2805
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:18,960
just them but you know look around the

2806
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:20,880
world look at the egyptians look at the

2807
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:22,639
the mayans look at everyone they all

2808
01:45:28,470 --> 01:45:25,520
focus on a couple of star systems right

2809
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:28,480
orion and the pleiades

2810
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:29,840
you know that's universal you go

2811
01:45:33,990 --> 01:45:31,840
anywhere pretty much the same star

2812
01:45:35,669 --> 01:45:34,000
systems keep coming up right and those

2813
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:35,679
come up in this narrative as well

2814
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,520
because as we sort of touched on a bit

2815
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,440
there you know the beings that were on

2816
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:41,199
earth that weren't very friendly right

2817
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:43,840
they go back to orion funnily enough the

2818
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,520
other beings have arrived here and done

2819
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:47,280
this they've come from the pleiades

2820
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:49,679
right but this is explained in a way

2821
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:51,600
which changes the narrative on the

2822
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:53,280
pleidians right because they make it

2823
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,280
very clear this although this craft

2824
01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:58,080
arrives from a stargate in the pleiades

2825
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:00,560
they are not from a home world there and

2826
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:02,159
this is a mixture of beings there's an

2827
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:03,840
alliance of beings

2828
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:06,159
who they pass through a stargate network

2829
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:07,760
and the last point they go through

2830
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:09,679
before arriving here is the pleiades so

2831
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,400
it's not wrong for them to say we have

2832
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:14,320
come from the pleiades right but if you

2833
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:15,679
think about that that doesn't mean they

2834
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:17,840
live there right and in fact the

2835
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:20,080
pleiades is a really young star cloud

2836
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:22,080
yeah there's there's no

2837
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:23,840
there should be no worlds with life on

2838
01:46:26,870 --> 01:46:25,600
them in the bloodies right we know it's

2839
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:26,880
really young

2840
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:28,800
so but what they do have there is a

2841
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:30,880
gateway yeah and so these beings

2842
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:31,920
although they're referred to as

2843
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:33,600
bloodians i think there can be a need to

2844
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:36,239
rethink this okay they don't come from

2845
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:38,480
maya or or mario pearl any of these

2846
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:41,040
stars there and in fact they they go

2847
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:42,320
into some details here i mean there's

2848
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:43,520
these beings that have joined this

2849
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:46,400
mission from all around the galaxy they

2850
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:47,679
look very different you know you've got

2851
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:49,520
some of the elongated heads you've got

2852
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:51,280
others are just these gold-skinned

2853
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:53,600
beings you've got crystalline entities

2854
01:46:57,830 --> 01:46:56,239
that are housed in robotic suits i mean

2855
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:57,840
it is like as wacky as you can imagine

2856
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:59,679
this is a whole collection of beings

2857
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:01,840
right that work together for a shared

2858
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:03,760
good now how does this shared good come

2859
01:47:07,270 --> 01:47:05,679
about i'll tell you why

2860
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,280
this alliance is really old and it

2861
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:09,920
formed because of a war that happened in

2862
01:47:12,709 --> 01:47:10,880
the past

2863
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:12,719
and this war was initiated by a group

2864
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:14,560
they referred to as the draco and the

2865
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:17,760
draco has some nasty nasty entities

2866
01:47:21,990 --> 01:47:20,000
right these things they feed on

2867
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:22,000
consciousness itself the consciousness

2868
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:24,080
of entities right and the way that's why

2869
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:26,000
they say there's a war that has the

2870
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:28,320
plague the galaxy before any of us

2871
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:30,960
humans existed and that the draco

2872
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:34,639
created life they created reptilians and

2873
01:47:38,229 --> 01:47:36,800
tool greys

2874
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,239
you know they have their own creations

2875
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:40,400
you know they're analogous to the fallen

2876
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:41,679
angels if you want you know there's some

2877
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:44,320
really nasty things on the flip side

2878
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:45,920
there's another group of like

2879
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:47,760
non-physical intelligences there called

2880
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,639
the elohim and the elohim are consulted

2881
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:52,800
by the various races in this plane

2882
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:54,800
alliance they consider them to be their

2883
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:58,000
advisors you know in a non-physical form

2884
01:48:02,229 --> 01:47:59,679
the draco war

2885
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:02,239
swept through the cosmos and caused many

2886
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:04,480
many different worlds to band together

2887
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:06,960
to fight back and to push these entities

2888
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:08,560
basically into another dimension i mean

2889
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:10,800
it seems that they've now retreated into

2890
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,520
yeah

2891
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:13,280
they're not in our physical world like

2892
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,280
our physical universe anymore right

2893
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:16,960
doesn't mean that they don't do anything

2894
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:18,719
or have interaction and there's some

2895
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:20,480
certainly some reason to be concerned

2896
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:22,239
that they might one day return so this

2897
01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:24,080
gets into some really you know again i'm

2898
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:25,840
not saying i can sit and prove to you

2899
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:27,760
that there's draco but this is the this

2900
01:48:30,470 --> 01:48:29,280
is part of what al charingar explains

2901
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:30,480
that this is reason why there's this

2902
01:48:33,750 --> 01:48:32,159
alliance and why there's these strange

2903
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:33,760
beings working together there's a

2904
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:36,000
history to that that they had a common

2905
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,320
you know a common good where they had to

2906
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:40,320
band together to do this and the

2907
01:48:43,510 --> 01:48:42,159
reptilians other beings that were on a

2908
01:48:46,310 --> 01:48:43,520
front these are the ones i've been

2909
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:46,320
hinting about this underground bases and

2910
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:49,040
this handover these reptilians

2911
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:50,560
they've had the earth for a long time

2912
01:48:54,629 --> 01:48:52,239
right and one of the things that they've

2913
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:54,639
been doing is they've been supplying

2914
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,400
food for their draco masters and what

2915
01:49:01,590 --> 01:48:58,480
they did is they engineered humans the

2916
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,600
early hominins as a slave race um who

2917
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,760
would serve not only as general workers

2918
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:05,360
but also were

2919
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:08,320
offerings to their draco gods these

2920
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:09,840
entities right

2921
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:12,400
really horrific kind of stuff going on

2922
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:14,400
now there's a point where they have been

2923
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:16,320
told look you know you are to hand this

2924
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:18,800
planet back to alliance control

2925
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:19,920
you know this is the way it's going to

2926
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:21,920
go down because you know this was the

2927
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:24,480
lion's planet you've taken it over uh

2928
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:25,760
you're gonna have to get the heck out of

2929
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:28,239
here and that's basically the backstory

2930
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,159
to what is going on and these reptilians

2931
01:49:33,669 --> 01:49:32,239
have been on the planet playing with dna

2932
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:33,679
they've done all sorts of things

2933
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:36,239
modifying dinosaurs modify making

2934
01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:38,000
animals you know that's why you look

2935
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:39,440
back in the record

2936
01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:41,040
there's other points where there's been

2937
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,800
genetic engineering

2938
01:49:46,629 --> 01:49:44,639
there's a i don't know you know the two

2939
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:46,639
fighters but there's a recent paper and

2940
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,800
some people have seen this where 30

2941
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:50,719
scientists banded together saying that

2942
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:53,440
the cambrian explosion was a panspermia

2943
01:49:57,590 --> 01:49:54,880
event and they even go as far as

2944
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:57,600
anything octopus may be from outer space

2945
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,800
because they have such strange

2946
01:50:01,669 --> 01:50:00,159
characteristics you know they can change

2947
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:01,679
their skin color they can change their

2948
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:03,280
shape they have intelligence have a

2949
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:04,800
different eye structure to all the other

2950
01:50:09,750 --> 01:50:07,920
animals right this paper is as near as

2951
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:09,760
scientists will get to saying we think

2952
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:12,000
aliens came here you know an alien came

2953
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:14,080
and delivered animals and but they say

2954
01:50:17,590 --> 01:50:16,159
maybe a comet brought

2955
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:17,600
these animals here right you know do you

2956
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:19,280
think it's likely a comet is going to

2957
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:21,040
bring living animals here or a spaceship

2958
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:23,360
right well i do know this i'll never eat

2959
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:26,320
octopus or or anything like that ever

2960
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:29,679
again no it puts me off as well and

2961
01:50:32,709 --> 01:50:31,520
they've these guys 30 guys you know 30

2962
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:32,719
academics they've done the sites and

2963
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:34,080
they if you have a look at their paper

2964
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:35,440
and you can google it they're obviously

2965
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:37,520
out of space i do yeah it's there you'll

2966
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:39,360
see they go into a lot of detail and

2967
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:41,199
they show that it's it's not they find

2968
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:43,040
it not only octopus but many other

2969
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:44,080
animals this is what we touched on the

2970
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:45,440
beginning there's many other animals

2971
01:50:49,590 --> 01:50:47,360
that seem to appear in the fossil record

2972
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:49,600
without any precursors almost as if they

2973
01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:51,440
either delivered here or what's the

2974
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:53,600
other alternative someone here is making

2975
01:50:57,590 --> 01:50:55,360
them they're just making these they're

2976
01:50:59,590 --> 01:50:57,600
tweaking things with their genomes and

2977
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:59,600
they're creating new species and that's

2978
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:01,360
exactly what's happening and the first

2979
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:04,080
hominins the first in our line yeah we

2980
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:06,000
do go out to primates but we didn't

2981
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,840
naturally evolve from them they just

2982
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:09,440
modify things when they wanted to change

2983
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:10,880
them they just change them and that's

2984
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:13,199
why you suddenly get homo erectus it has

2985
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:14,960
a number of gene changes that are

2986
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:17,199
different to earlier hominins right you

2987
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:18,560
go back to the chimps and all that you

2988
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:20,800
know their ancestors we suddenly diverge

2989
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:22,480
from them because there's people here

2990
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:24,239
there's beings here that can just do a

2991
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:26,480
bit of modification on the genome you

2992
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:29,520
get a new species now 780 000 years ago

2993
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:30,639
there's something different happens and

2994
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,800
that's because we have beings that are

2995
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:34,560
not just monsters you know they have

2996
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:36,719
arrived here and that are put in a

2997
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:39,040
position where it suits their needs and

2998
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:41,679
the greater good to start upgrading us

2999
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:43,360
right and to make us into

3000
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:45,040
something that is more like part of

3001
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:46,800
their alliance you know and less like

3002
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:49,760
slaves of these enemy forces right so it

3003
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,840
becomes definitely becomes a complex

3004
01:51:55,750 --> 01:51:54,000
exopolitical narrative you know without

3005
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:55,760
doubt and i understand normally people

3006
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:57,119
be like well you know geez that goes

3007
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:59,040
into that you know that woo weirdness

3008
01:52:01,510 --> 01:52:00,560
but you go back again and say but hang

3009
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:01,520
on

3010
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:03,280
you know we've got the craft debris

3011
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:05,760
we've got the genetic engineering we've

3012
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:07,920
got the asteroid bombardment right and

3013
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:09,280
there's i should just quickly say

3014
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:10,560
there's something else happening 780

3015
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:11,599
thousand years ago as well it just

3016
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,119
happens that's the last time that

3017
01:52:17,189 --> 01:52:15,360
there's a full magnetic polar reversal

3018
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,199
on this planet now isn't that uncanny

3019
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:19,520
jimmy that you've got a fourth major

3020
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:22,880
event another anomaly right that happens

3021
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:25,440
exactly at the same time

3022
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:27,280
you know so things are getting really

3023
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:30,239
wacky right at that time you know i want

3024
01:52:34,629 --> 01:52:32,960
to uh uh back to the uh draco really

3025
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:34,639
quick sure um

3026
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:37,360
the so the draco

3027
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:40,560
uh they were banished from this planet

3028
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:42,080
they've been pushed back in a yeah in a

3029
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:44,560
war that has happened you know

3030
01:52:49,270 --> 01:52:47,760
they haven't been here for how long

3031
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,280
from the understanding actually there is

3032
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:51,679
a point in in value's work where she

3033
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,920
asked one of the people that she's

3034
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:55,440
working with one of these people the

3035
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:57,440
spontaneous kind of memories and at one

3036
01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:58,639
point this person goes he's also a

3037
01:53:01,669 --> 01:53:00,639
medium he goes into a kind of trance and

3038
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:01,679
he is

3039
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:04,560
see me in contact with the draco and

3040
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,840
like he comes through a lot of

3041
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:07,440
information and in there it comes up

3042
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:08,239
that

3043
01:53:13,830 --> 01:53:12,080
they still have an awareness of what

3044
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:13,840
we're doing here they're still somewhere

3045
01:53:19,589 --> 01:53:16,800
in the in the nearby cosmic neighborhood

3046
01:53:21,669 --> 01:53:19,599
in some way and that they can come in

3047
01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:21,679
they can pop in from another dimension

3048
01:53:26,070 --> 01:53:23,599
and occasionally do the elements from

3049
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:26,080
there you know that they can revisit but

3050
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:28,719
they no longer have a fixed presence

3051
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:30,639
here they also clarify that the

3052
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:33,199
reptilians are not completely gone that

3053
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:34,719
although there was a bombardment and

3054
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:36,320
there was all this done there's a point

3055
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:37,520
where it's coverage i saw you know

3056
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:38,960
they're all gone now they know there's

3057
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:40,800
still some here you know and of course

3058
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:41,920
there's

3059
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:45,199
loads of law about reptilians loads of

3060
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:46,560
you know there's claims that people take

3061
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:48,480
to underground areas you know all of

3062
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:50,320
that and so you're finding that that is

3063
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:53,679
being actually repeated to us from this

3064
01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:55,679
alien artifact is telling us much the

3065
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:57,920
same thing but it's pointing to evidence

3066
01:54:03,270 --> 01:53:59,840
to validate this now that should be

3067
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:03,280
deeply concerning for people

3068
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:05,040
so the

3069
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:05,840
uh

3070
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:10,400
the draco and the reptilians

3071
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:12,560
just so i'm understanding completely

3072
01:54:18,629 --> 01:54:16,560
separate situation they may appear to be

3073
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:18,639
similar but we are talking about two

3074
01:54:23,109 --> 01:54:21,119
different species two different agendas

3075
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,119
two two different species yeah the draco

3076
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:25,760
are described as somewhat dragon like

3077
01:54:29,750 --> 01:54:27,280
right in that they're quite large

3078
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,760
they've got wings um

3079
01:54:32,870 --> 01:54:31,360
they i'm trying

3080
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:32,880
not enormous but they're certainly

3081
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:34,840
bigger than humans you know they're

3082
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:37,440
large um the reptilians look more

3083
01:54:40,550 --> 01:54:39,199
human-like you know but with obviously

3084
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:40,560
scaly skin

3085
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:43,040
um i guess people who are familiar with

3086
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:45,840
descriptions from you know ufology and

3087
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:47,679
from david zeiger's work you know have

3088
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:49,360
some idea probably of what the imagery

3089
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,679
is like so these draco are significantly

3090
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:53,599
different but they are said to be the

3091
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:54,960
creators of

3092
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,199
the reptilians and some other races so

3093
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:59,119
the reptilians consider these draco as

3094
01:55:02,229 --> 01:55:00,960
almost like their gods their creator

3095
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,239
gods you know these are the ones that

3096
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:04,400
originally made them you know but even

3097
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:06,080
though they've left now gone into

3098
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:08,480
another dimension you know of existence

3099
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:10,239
that they still have some kind of

3100
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:12,480
allegiance to them uh but unfortunately

3101
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:14,639
without their immediate backup you know

3102
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:16,719
they can't really

3103
01:55:19,990 --> 01:55:18,080
have the same arrogance you know and

3104
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,000
take on this alliance as they may once

3105
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:22,080
off you know so that's why there's this

3106
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:23,679
situation where they have to agree to

3107
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:25,119
hand over the planet that they're no

3108
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:27,760
longer with their more powerful you know

3109
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:29,760
masters here to help them

3110
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:32,320
so it's very complex yeah it is complex

3111
01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:34,960
are we in control now though

3112
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:37,760
us as humans are we are we in control of

3113
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:40,000
our own destiny and is there

3114
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:42,880
an e.t presence on this planet now which

3115
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:45,760
i tend to believe that there is but yeah

3116
01:55:49,109 --> 01:55:48,239
is there an e.t presence here now or are

3117
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:49,119
we

3118
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:57,360
really serious trouble

3119
01:56:01,189 --> 01:56:00,400
and we have leaders you know that are

3120
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:01,199
still

3121
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:03,840
involved in this worship of the draco

3122
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,719
that consider them to be their gods who

3123
01:56:09,990 --> 01:56:08,400
are doing horrific things

3124
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:10,000
you know a cult system of you know

3125
01:56:14,229 --> 01:56:11,760
feeding the energy of children and stuff

3126
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:14,239
to these beings right really horrific

3127
01:56:17,669 --> 01:56:15,679
stuff obviously people hear about it you

3128
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:17,679
hear about these cults and the elites

3129
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:20,000
are in these weird sex cults and there's

3130
01:56:24,790 --> 01:56:22,400
this you know satanic child abuse

3131
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:24,800
right it's it's worse than people

3132
01:56:28,229 --> 01:56:26,400
would imagine you know they really are

3133
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:28,239
dealing with these other dimensional

3134
01:56:31,030 --> 01:56:29,760
entities right

3135
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:31,040
on top of that of course you have this

3136
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:32,639
stuff about elements of the deep state

3137
01:56:36,390 --> 01:56:34,880
working with reptilians that also is one

3138
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:36,400
part of the problem you know because

3139
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:37,520
where are the good guys why don't they

3140
01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:39,360
come racing in well one of the problems

3141
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:41,840
is from their perspective humanity seems

3142
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:44,480
to be working with the wrong side right

3143
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:46,960
now if you were in charge of say an

3144
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:48,639
opposite force and you're looking down

3145
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:50,080
you kind of be thinking am i going to

3146
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:52,000
run in to help people that have sided

3147
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:53,760
with the enemy right so we've put

3148
01:56:57,189 --> 01:56:55,280
ourselves in a really weird position

3149
01:56:58,390 --> 01:56:57,199
where yes there are forces that are

3150
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:58,400
trying to help and are interested in

3151
01:57:01,109 --> 01:56:59,360
helping

3152
01:57:02,790 --> 01:57:01,119
in fact some of them are here and they

3153
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:02,800
will look some of them look like humans

3154
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:03,920
and remember what we said earlier on

3155
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:06,159
when i said about they created the human

3156
01:57:10,870 --> 01:57:08,239
body to be suitable for them to

3157
01:57:12,550 --> 01:57:10,880
incarnate into now if anyone knows the

3158
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:12,560
work of say

3159
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:13,679
obviously you're gonna be familiar with

3160
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:15,119
bob lazar's claims now whether people

3161
01:57:17,669 --> 01:57:16,480
believe everything bubbles are said or

3162
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:17,679
not there's some interesting things he

3163
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:18,880
comes out with he says that amongst the

3164
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:21,840
documents he encountered at s4 there was

3165
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:24,719
a stack of information there about us

3166
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:26,800
about humans right and what it said is

3167
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:28,719
the aliens that were involved there

3168
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:31,199
described us as containers they were

3169
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:32,960
very specific they only referred to

3170
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:35,440
humans as containers containers for what

3171
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:37,360
containers for extraterrestrial beings

3172
01:57:40,629 --> 01:57:39,360
right because they can incarnate they

3173
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:40,639
know this and they say they didn't make

3174
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:42,000
us they're quite clear these people they

3175
01:57:45,669 --> 01:57:43,920
say look humans have been modified like

3176
01:57:47,589 --> 01:57:45,679
60 odd times it said in those records

3177
01:57:50,229 --> 01:57:47,599
but they didn't do it but they're aware

3178
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:50,239
another alien group did this right which

3179
01:57:53,109 --> 01:57:51,599
is weird enough so again you're getting

3180
01:57:54,149 --> 01:57:53,119
this recognition that there's multiple

3181
01:57:55,109 --> 01:57:54,159
parties

3182
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:55,119
and they said you know there were

3183
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:57,440
containers the same narrative but yes

3184
01:58:00,310 --> 01:57:58,480
right from the beginning we've been

3185
01:58:01,589 --> 01:58:00,320
created as containers so who else is

3186
01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:01,599
coming here

3187
01:58:05,669 --> 01:58:03,280
various beings that you've got people

3188
01:58:07,589 --> 01:58:05,679
who look like people but they're not you

3189
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:07,599
know the soul level some of these are

3190
01:58:11,510 --> 01:58:10,159
not at all they've got beings that are

3191
01:58:13,109 --> 01:58:11,520
benevolent

3192
01:58:15,189 --> 01:58:13,119
and you've got beings that are very

3193
01:58:17,510 --> 01:58:15,199
malevolent and they can both look like a

3194
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:17,520
human being right that's a terrible

3195
01:58:21,270 --> 01:58:18,800
situation so you look at some of these

3196
01:58:22,229 --> 01:58:21,280
leaders and you think um looks like a

3197
01:58:24,390 --> 01:58:22,239
person

3198
01:58:25,750 --> 01:58:24,400
but like that doesn't mean that they are

3199
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:25,760
right so that that

3200
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:27,280
that should be concerned for anyone i

3201
01:58:30,070 --> 01:58:28,880
know the hybrid program obviously the

3202
01:58:31,750 --> 01:58:30,080
modern hybrid program is a bit like that

3203
01:58:34,310 --> 01:58:31,760
this creation of what seems to be a

3204
01:58:35,910 --> 01:58:34,320
creation of bodies that are suited to

3205
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:35,920
certain souls to live here which seems

3206
01:58:38,950 --> 01:58:37,520
to be an ongoing thing right with

3207
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:38,960
another group with

3208
01:58:43,510 --> 01:58:41,360
the insectoids and greys you know so

3209
01:58:44,950 --> 01:58:43,520
again they seem to view us as containers

3210
01:58:46,870 --> 01:58:44,960
as well there seems to be a general

3211
01:58:49,830 --> 01:58:46,880
agreement between these different beings

3212
01:58:52,070 --> 01:58:49,840
that the homo sapiens body is an ideal

3213
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:52,080
container right now

3214
01:58:55,189 --> 01:58:54,000
that consistency across the different

3215
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:55,199
narratives

3216
01:58:58,229 --> 01:58:57,119
should make people think you know why is

3217
01:58:59,910 --> 01:58:58,239
it that all these different beings when

3218
01:59:01,589 --> 01:58:59,920
people have encounters they seem to be

3219
01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:01,599
saying much the same thing that you know

3220
01:59:06,390 --> 01:59:03,360
they consider our bodies as useful

3221
01:59:08,709 --> 01:59:06,400
containers what did you uh is there a

3222
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:08,719
connection with maria

3223
01:59:15,189 --> 01:59:12,000
the nazca mummy that is being analyzed

3224
01:59:17,109 --> 01:59:15,199
uh by gaia and the other mummies that

3225
01:59:18,629 --> 01:59:17,119
have surfaced in nazca is there a

3226
01:59:20,070 --> 01:59:18,639
connection

3227
01:59:21,030 --> 01:59:20,080
yeah i look

3228
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:21,040
there's something that doesn't seem to

3229
01:59:24,790 --> 01:59:22,400
get discussed in these if you look at

3230
01:59:27,830 --> 01:59:24,800
say the atacama mummy and you look at

3231
01:59:29,030 --> 01:59:27,840
the um the ones down in peru right and

3232
01:59:31,189 --> 01:59:29,040
also

3233
01:59:32,629 --> 01:59:31,199
oh the star child skull

3234
01:59:33,910 --> 01:59:32,639
you look at those three examples now all

3235
01:59:36,149 --> 01:59:33,920
of them are flagged up as possible

3236
01:59:38,629 --> 01:59:36,159
aliens right but then when the dna work

3237
01:59:40,229 --> 01:59:38,639
was done it comes up as they have human

3238
01:59:42,550 --> 01:59:40,239
parents okay

3239
01:59:44,550 --> 01:59:42,560
now so that that all ended as you know

3240
01:59:46,950 --> 01:59:44,560
in a big funeral you know is this all a

3241
01:59:49,350 --> 01:59:46,960
fraud you know are we just messing with

3242
01:59:50,149 --> 01:59:49,360
you know people's graves and stuff which

3243
01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:50,159
but

3244
01:59:56,070 --> 01:59:53,040
what noah's thing is to discuss is right

3245
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:56,080
if you take a human embryo and modify it

3246
02:00:00,070 --> 01:59:58,239
using something like crispr gene editing

3247
02:00:01,830 --> 02:00:00,080
technologies right like we have today

3248
02:00:03,669 --> 02:00:01,840
but you imagine you've got like next

3249
02:00:05,669 --> 02:00:03,679
next next generation but even with the

3250
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:05,679
crispr technologies

3251
02:00:10,629 --> 02:00:08,639
we don't have to like blend in alien dna

3252
02:00:13,030 --> 02:00:10,639
to change anything right we just start

3253
02:00:16,550 --> 02:00:13,040
changing the code so you can create a

3254
02:00:18,149 --> 02:00:16,560
monster right with a with a human fetus

3255
02:00:20,550 --> 02:00:18,159
yeah just by playing around with the

3256
02:00:21,910 --> 02:00:20,560
code now look at these things when

3257
02:00:24,149 --> 02:00:21,920
they're saying they're just humans look

3258
02:00:26,229 --> 02:00:24,159
the atacama thing is just a normal baby

3259
02:00:28,070 --> 02:00:26,239
jimmy they're telling us look at it

3260
02:00:30,310 --> 02:00:28,080
doesn't look normal to me no look at

3261
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:30,320
these no no doesn't and then you look at

3262
02:00:34,950 --> 02:00:32,560
the star child scouts just a normal you

3263
02:00:36,709 --> 02:00:34,960
know freaky kid i don't think so you

3264
02:00:39,430 --> 02:00:36,719
know the same as you go to these ones

3265
02:00:41,270 --> 02:00:39,440
down in peru you know they're not normal

3266
02:00:42,950 --> 02:00:41,280
but the thing is they're human right

3267
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:42,960
that makes perfect sense if if what

3268
02:00:46,950 --> 02:00:45,360
they're doing is not hybridizing in the

3269
02:00:48,310 --> 02:00:46,960
way that we typically think of et

3270
02:00:50,149 --> 02:00:48,320
hybrids right this is this is some

3271
02:00:51,830 --> 02:00:50,159
people get their heads around that we

3272
02:00:53,589 --> 02:00:51,840
always used to assume that what it was

3273
02:00:56,390 --> 02:00:53,599
is some sort of mix you know like 50

3274
02:00:57,910 --> 02:00:56,400
alien 50 human you know that was normal

3275
02:00:59,270 --> 02:00:57,920
i used to think that too but once you

3276
02:01:01,270 --> 02:00:59,280
start understanding how this genetic

3277
02:01:03,750 --> 02:01:01,280
engineering works you realize all you

3278
02:01:05,910 --> 02:01:03,760
need to do is understand the code and

3279
02:01:07,750 --> 02:01:05,920
you can go in and just fiddle around

3280
02:01:09,669 --> 02:01:07,760
with it and you can turn a human being

3281
02:01:11,830 --> 02:01:09,679
into a grey alien right you can turn a

3282
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:11,840
human being probably into a fish if you

3283
02:01:15,189 --> 02:01:13,360
really know what you're doing with those

3284
02:01:16,870 --> 02:01:15,199
with the embryo right you can make

3285
02:01:18,550 --> 02:01:16,880
pretty much anything you start tweaking

3286
02:01:20,470 --> 02:01:18,560
it and so these things i think yeah that

3287
02:01:22,229 --> 02:01:20,480
they are human but i i don't think that

3288
02:01:23,510 --> 02:01:22,239
they are natural mutations i think what

3289
02:01:25,589 --> 02:01:23,520
we're seeing is

3290
02:01:27,270 --> 02:01:25,599
parts of these experiments that they're

3291
02:01:29,350 --> 02:01:27,280
finding these remains and they're

3292
02:01:31,270 --> 02:01:29,360
finding the anomalies on them

3293
02:01:33,109 --> 02:01:31,280
are incredible but that there's no

3294
02:01:34,310 --> 02:01:33,119
evidence of alien dna and i think it's

3295
02:01:37,109 --> 02:01:34,320
because of that

3296
02:01:39,910 --> 02:01:37,119
and in fact there's a technology part of

3297
02:01:41,510 --> 02:01:39,920
crisp r called gene drives and gene

3298
02:01:42,629 --> 02:01:41,520
drives are really important i'd say look

3299
02:01:44,070 --> 02:01:42,639
at look them up because they're

3300
02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:44,080
frightening in a way because what they

3301
02:01:47,830 --> 02:01:46,560
do is they can modify the genes and then

3302
02:01:50,790 --> 02:01:47,840
they can change in such a way is that

3303
02:01:52,629 --> 02:01:50,800
when a male and female right mate

3304
02:01:54,790 --> 02:01:52,639
the offspring instead of having

3305
02:01:57,109 --> 02:01:54,800
information from both parents the gene

3306
02:01:58,790 --> 02:01:57,119
drive overwrites the genes from the

3307
02:02:00,629 --> 02:01:58,800
other parent that's correct

3308
02:02:02,229 --> 02:02:00,639
yes it does it doesn't matter like what

3309
02:02:03,510 --> 02:02:02,239
they breed with what they mix it it will

3310
02:02:04,870 --> 02:02:03,520
always be the one that they want it to

3311
02:02:06,629 --> 02:02:04,880
be so if you think again about that

3312
02:02:08,709 --> 02:02:06,639
disappearance of all the humans right

3313
02:02:10,870 --> 02:02:08,719
who had the wrong number of chromosomes

3314
02:02:13,350 --> 02:02:10,880
right all of them went that's a gene

3315
02:02:15,830 --> 02:02:13,360
drive technology right they wiped out

3316
02:02:18,310 --> 02:02:15,840
all of the humans that had 48

3317
02:02:20,470 --> 02:02:18,320
chromosomes there's none left today they

3318
02:02:23,350 --> 02:02:20,480
went from having probably you know a

3319
02:02:24,709 --> 02:02:23,360
dozen 46 chromosome humans to the whole

3320
02:02:26,550 --> 02:02:24,719
world right how does that happen that

3321
02:02:28,709 --> 02:02:26,560
happens with gene drives that you can

3322
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:28,719
choose to completely

3323
02:02:32,229 --> 02:02:30,840
you know genocide a species with this

3324
02:02:34,709 --> 02:02:32,239
technology right although you can create

3325
02:02:36,709 --> 02:02:34,719
a species yeah overwrite it you just

3326
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:36,719
override it and look i i don't know how

3327
02:02:39,270 --> 02:02:38,000
much time you got so i just wanted to i

3328
02:02:40,229 --> 02:02:39,280
wanted to quickly point out a couple of

3329
02:02:41,589 --> 02:02:40,239
things as well

3330
02:02:43,030 --> 02:02:41,599
well hold on i'm going to stop you right

3331
02:02:44,709 --> 02:02:43,040
there we're going to go into overtime

3332
02:02:47,030 --> 02:02:44,719
there's no way we're stopping this

3333
02:02:49,350 --> 02:02:47,040
conversation right now but go ahead and

3334
02:02:50,709 --> 02:02:49,360
say what you needed to say

3335
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:50,719
sure because there's a there's a really

3336
02:02:53,589 --> 02:02:51,840
important

3337
02:02:55,910 --> 02:02:53,599
another aspect of this modification that

3338
02:02:57,589 --> 02:02:55,920
i'd like people to sort of be aware of

3339
02:02:59,270 --> 02:02:57,599
because there's a couple of things one

3340
02:03:00,550 --> 02:02:59,280
thing is that you know in seti and

3341
02:03:02,149 --> 02:03:00,560
particularly in the what they call the

3342
02:03:05,270 --> 02:03:02,159
post-detection

3343
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:05,280
um seti you know arm for these there's a

3344
02:03:09,990 --> 02:03:07,440
guy there called professor paul davies

3345
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:10,000
right now professor paul davies is he's

3346
02:03:12,790 --> 02:03:11,199
really important he pops up a lot

3347
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:12,800
actually in this stuff because he's kind

3348
02:03:15,430 --> 02:03:14,320
of critical of seti right he says that

3349
02:03:17,109 --> 02:03:15,440
you know although he's part of it he

3350
02:03:19,109 --> 02:03:17,119
says it's the most unlikely way to

3351
02:03:21,189 --> 02:03:19,119
detect aliens will be through radio

3352
02:03:23,109 --> 02:03:21,199
signals coming to some you know

3353
02:03:25,750 --> 02:03:23,119
astronomer inseti

3354
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:25,760
the most unlikely what's more likely is

3355
02:03:30,070 --> 02:03:28,000
some kind of anomaly being detected by

3356
02:03:31,589 --> 02:03:30,080
someone outside of the field something

3357
02:03:33,990 --> 02:03:31,599
really strange there's a persistent

3358
02:03:35,750 --> 02:03:34,000
anomaly that eventually that person

3359
02:03:37,030 --> 02:03:35,760
forces on to everyone else well first of

3360
02:03:38,950 --> 02:03:37,040
all that sounds awful like what i'm

3361
02:03:40,470 --> 02:03:38,960
doing the second thing is he says well

3362
02:03:42,310 --> 02:03:40,480
now what kind of things would we find

3363
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:42,320
say if aliens had been through our solar

3364
02:03:46,229 --> 02:03:44,480
system in the remote past he says oh you

3365
02:03:48,709 --> 02:03:46,239
might have chopped up asteroids or

3366
02:03:50,790 --> 02:03:48,719
nuclear waste or changes in the genome

3367
02:03:53,030 --> 02:03:50,800
that would be about to last a very long

3368
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:53,040
time now if you go a bit deeper into

3369
02:03:56,709 --> 02:03:54,960
that and you find what do they expect to

3370
02:03:58,149 --> 02:03:56,719
find they say well look if we're going

3371
02:03:59,109 --> 02:03:58,159
to look for evidence that this has

3372
02:04:01,350 --> 02:03:59,119
happened

3373
02:04:03,910 --> 02:04:01,360
we would we would need the changes to

3374
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:03,920
happen in parts of the genome that are

3375
02:04:09,270 --> 02:04:07,040
incredibly stable because dna mutates it

3376
02:04:11,189 --> 02:04:09,280
changes over time you know a message or

3377
02:04:12,950 --> 02:04:11,199
signal could be wiped away

3378
02:04:14,709 --> 02:04:12,960
so say the aliens would have to have

3379
02:04:15,750 --> 02:04:14,719
done a change in an area of what they

3380
02:04:18,709 --> 02:04:15,760
call

3381
02:04:20,310 --> 02:04:18,719
highly conserved regions of dna and what

3382
02:04:21,830 --> 02:04:20,320
that really means is there's

3383
02:04:24,390 --> 02:04:21,840
there's parts of your genome which are

3384
02:04:26,390 --> 02:04:24,400
so important to the fundamental

3385
02:04:29,189 --> 02:04:26,400
processes of life right that if they

3386
02:04:31,030 --> 02:04:29,199
mutate much you die you know you're you

3387
02:04:32,790 --> 02:04:31,040
won't have offspring you know it's just

3388
02:04:34,709 --> 02:04:32,800
impossible they said that's where they

3389
02:04:37,109 --> 02:04:34,719
think it'll be because anything changed

3390
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:37,119
in there should remain stable over

3391
02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:38,719
hundreds of thousands or millions of

3392
02:04:42,229 --> 02:04:40,320
years so they're saying look this is

3393
02:04:44,149 --> 02:04:42,239
leading seti people leading you know

3394
02:04:46,950 --> 02:04:44,159
astrobiologists are saying these are the

3395
02:04:48,950 --> 02:04:46,960
areas would you look at okay well let's

3396
02:04:50,550 --> 02:04:48,960
look at some of those because when you

3397
02:04:52,310 --> 02:04:50,560
go in and you start looking at this

3398
02:04:54,550 --> 02:04:52,320
these areas of highly conserved

3399
02:04:56,870 --> 02:04:54,560
non-coding dna where they expect the

3400
02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:56,880
message to be if it exists right turns

3401
02:05:01,510 --> 02:04:59,280
out right it turns out that they've

3402
02:05:03,189 --> 02:05:01,520
already found these right there's um

3403
02:05:06,149 --> 02:05:03,199
there's these areas called

3404
02:05:08,229 --> 02:05:06,159
hars which stands for human accelerated

3405
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:08,239
regions because they're areas of code

3406
02:05:11,750 --> 02:05:10,320
that have been certainly accelerated in

3407
02:05:14,629 --> 02:05:11,760
their evolution

3408
02:05:16,550 --> 02:05:14,639
and all of them are in highly conserved

3409
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:16,560
non-coding regions right which is where

3410
02:05:20,470 --> 02:05:18,480
we're told we should look for this

3411
02:05:22,149 --> 02:05:20,480
modification if it's happened yeah right

3412
02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:22,159
they found now i think they found about

3413
02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:23,920
a thousand of them and i'll give you one

3414
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:25,840
example right this one they call har1

3415
02:05:28,229 --> 02:05:27,440
which was the first one they detected

3416
02:05:30,070 --> 02:05:28,239
right

3417
02:05:31,430 --> 02:05:30,080
and the woman i forgot her name to my

3418
02:05:33,750 --> 02:05:31,440
show i comment but i'll dig it up for

3419
02:05:35,430 --> 02:05:33,760
you later but anyway she goes in she

3420
02:05:37,350 --> 02:05:35,440
finds and she wants to sort of compare

3421
02:05:39,270 --> 02:05:37,360
she's actually a computational volume so

3422
02:05:40,950 --> 02:05:39,280
she computes the the stats you know

3423
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:40,960
what's the chances on things that's

3424
02:05:45,270 --> 02:05:42,880
that's what she's good at and she so she

3425
02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:45,280
looks at this area she said it's 118

3426
02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:48,880
letters long 818 dna letters long

3427
02:05:53,350 --> 02:05:50,719
there's a little fragment of code and it

3428
02:05:55,669 --> 02:05:53,360
says if you take a chimp a chicken and

3429
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:55,679
us you can contrast it right they said

3430
02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:58,239
between a chicken and a chimpanzee

3431
02:06:03,910 --> 02:06:00,560
there's three letters that are different

3432
02:06:05,430 --> 02:06:03,920
of the 118. right so and keep in mind

3433
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:05,440
that they're supposed to be separate by

3434
02:06:10,070 --> 02:06:07,760
300 million years these creatures right

3435
02:06:11,669 --> 02:06:10,080
so that's how stable it is in 300

3436
02:06:14,229 --> 02:06:11,679
million years you've only got three

3437
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:14,239
changes right right right right so so

3438
02:06:17,350 --> 02:06:15,679
they know this area code must do

3439
02:06:19,589 --> 02:06:17,360
something incredibly important where you

3440
02:06:21,270 --> 02:06:19,599
know it's very rare for a successful

3441
02:06:23,350 --> 02:06:21,280
mutation to happen

3442
02:06:25,189 --> 02:06:23,360
and then they take the humans right and

3443
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:25,199
they compare them to the chimps they say

3444
02:06:29,990 --> 02:06:27,040
well look we're only five million years

3445
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:30,000
away from the chimps it's got 18 letters

3446
02:06:33,430 --> 02:06:31,199
different

3447
02:06:35,350 --> 02:06:33,440
18. yeah and so the woman does the

3448
02:06:37,830 --> 02:06:35,360
numbers she creates the numbers and she

3449
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:37,840
says statistically speaking by all the

3450
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:39,840
known mechanisms of evolution the

3451
02:06:46,229 --> 02:06:42,480
chances of this are zero

3452
02:06:47,750 --> 02:06:46,239
zero right and nobody flags up oh well

3453
02:06:50,069 --> 02:06:47,760
isn't this the signal that we've been

3454
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:50,079
looking for no no no they've no mention

3455
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,000
of it and now they found like a thousand

3456
02:06:56,229 --> 02:06:54,480
of these hars these accelerated regions

3457
02:06:58,069 --> 02:06:56,239
and nearly all of them jimmy are in

3458
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:58,079
areas that affect the brain isn't that

3459
02:07:01,910 --> 02:06:59,920
funny coincidence yeah you've got all

3460
02:07:03,910 --> 02:07:01,920
these weird sections of code that you

3461
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:03,920
don't understand they shouldn't be there

3462
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:05,920
and they all make us have a better brain

3463
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:08,880
that's a bit weird and the the the

3464
02:07:14,709 --> 02:07:12,000
number that we are talking about here of

3465
02:07:18,149 --> 02:07:14,719
coincidence that that number would

3466
02:07:20,550 --> 02:07:18,159
stretch if it was a 12 point type

3467
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,560
right from here to mars

3468
02:07:24,229 --> 02:07:22,639
that's how big of a number that we're

3469
02:07:26,069 --> 02:07:24,239
talking about why aren't they talking

3470
02:07:27,589 --> 02:07:26,079
about like is this i mean you know maybe

3471
02:07:29,589 --> 02:07:27,599
you can help me because in a way i'm

3472
02:07:31,030 --> 02:07:29,599
like well if they're telling me on the

3473
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:31,040
one hand i can go on that i can read

3474
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:32,880
paul davies and these people saying you

3475
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:35,440
know we should look in the genome

3476
02:07:39,189 --> 02:07:37,040
for you know

3477
02:07:41,189 --> 02:07:39,199
this non-coding dna you know look in

3478
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:41,199
there and see if any of these these

3479
02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:43,040
stable areas have been changed and then

3480
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:44,400
you've got these other scientists with

3481
02:07:47,270 --> 02:07:46,000
their paper saying we found all these

3482
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:47,280
areas in that area that have been

3483
02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:49,040
changed like what's going on in the

3484
02:07:52,310 --> 02:07:50,560
middle there jimmy i i don't understand

3485
02:07:54,550 --> 02:07:52,320
it because surely they know

3486
02:07:56,550 --> 02:07:54,560
so what's going on is this a cover-up or

3487
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,560
is it just two areas not talking to each

3488
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:58,239
other or you know

3489
02:08:02,149 --> 02:08:00,320
for me it's very hard to see how i can

3490
02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:02,159
find that you know like as you said i'm

3491
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:04,079
an i.t guy right i'm not i'm not a

3492
02:08:07,750 --> 02:08:05,920
computational biologist you know i'm not

3493
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:07,760
evolutionary you know or exobiologists

3494
02:08:10,310 --> 02:08:09,360
or any of those things if i can find

3495
02:08:13,750 --> 02:08:10,320
that

3496
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:13,760
these thousands of scientists in these

3497
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:15,679
fields none of them have noticed well

3498
02:08:19,030 --> 02:08:17,199
and see there's something else to this

3499
02:08:20,390 --> 02:08:19,040
and we'll uh discuss this when we come

3500
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:20,400
back but

3501
02:08:26,229 --> 02:08:23,040
a geneticist would look at these

3502
02:08:28,950 --> 02:08:26,239
problems and these issues and sit back

3503
02:08:30,950 --> 02:08:28,960
and go wait a minute here so you know

3504
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:30,960
that they're thinking about it because

3505
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:32,400
it's what they do

3506
02:08:36,069 --> 02:08:34,719
right it's way beyond coincidence let's

3507
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:36,079
take a break right here bruce we'll do

3508
02:08:39,589 --> 02:08:38,000
some overtime when we come back and

3509
02:08:41,030 --> 02:08:39,599
we'll continue this fascinating

3510
02:08:43,350 --> 02:08:41,040
discussion here on fade to black i'm

3511
02:08:44,950 --> 02:08:43,360
your host jimmy church we're discussing

3512
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:44,960
the origins

3513
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:47,040
of us

3514
02:08:50,709 --> 02:08:48,639
this is fade to black our murals jimmy

3515
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:50,719
church you can follow me on twitter at j

3516
02:08:54,310 --> 02:08:51,920
church radio

3517
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:54,320
follow bruce right now at

3518
02:08:58,709 --> 02:08:57,199
hybridhumans144

3519
02:09:03,210 --> 02:08:58,719
on twitter we'll be right back with

3520
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:03,220
overtime right after this stay with us

3521
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:18,790
welcome back paid to black heading

3522
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:21,440
straight into overtime with bruce our

3523
02:09:27,830 --> 02:09:25,360
fenton by the way he's live from wales

3524
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:27,840
right now and uh

3525
02:09:32,310 --> 02:09:29,520
bruce

3526
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:32,320
a couple of quick points uh before we

3527
02:09:36,149 --> 02:09:33,599
move on

3528
02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:36,159
uh what did you how did it hit you

3529
02:09:42,229 --> 02:09:38,480
emotionally yesterday when you saw what

3530
02:09:44,149 --> 02:09:42,239
was happening uh to uh notre dame

3531
02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:44,159
yeah i have mixed views on it i mean

3532
02:09:48,709 --> 02:09:46,719
look i think any ancient or any old

3533
02:09:50,950 --> 02:09:48,719
structure right isn't is it is

3534
02:09:53,350 --> 02:09:50,960
interesting and important but i see the

3535
02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:53,360
symbolic side of it as well that you

3536
02:09:57,109 --> 02:09:54,880
know we're in a time where i think a lot

3537
02:09:59,430 --> 02:09:57,119
of these institutions like the catholic

3538
02:10:01,750 --> 02:09:59,440
church are heading towards the end

3539
02:10:03,350 --> 02:10:01,760
because they rightly so i think that it

3540
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:03,360
was kind of symbolic the building itself

3541
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:04,960
it looks like it's survived pretty well

3542
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:06,960
to be honest i mean and it seems funnily

3543
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:08,719
enough they had like none of the stuff

3544
02:10:13,030 --> 02:10:10,320
in there you know nothing really seems

3545
02:10:14,950 --> 02:10:13,040
to be you know the precious stuff seems

3546
02:10:16,310 --> 02:10:14,960
to be lost so from my point of view yeah

3547
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:16,320
i took it as being a rather symbolic

3548
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:17,520
they said you know the catholics are

3549
02:10:21,990 --> 02:10:19,840
there when their major symbols was on

3550
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:22,000
fire right so

3551
02:10:24,870 --> 02:10:23,280
i guess a lot of people i know be more

3552
02:10:26,709 --> 02:10:24,880
like upset about it i actually sort of

3553
02:10:28,470 --> 02:10:26,719
think it's kind of a sign of the times

3554
02:10:30,149 --> 02:10:28,480
and then maybe it's a bit more symbolic

3555
02:10:31,510 --> 02:10:30,159
but it's like you know this is starting

3556
02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:31,520
to come down you know these big

3557
02:10:35,030 --> 02:10:33,440
institutions like the church you know

3558
02:10:38,149 --> 02:10:35,040
hopefully a few banks might catch on

3559
02:10:39,830 --> 02:10:38,159
fire as well so so i'm not as i'm not as

3560
02:10:41,830 --> 02:10:39,840
upset if look if it had been a library

3561
02:10:43,750 --> 02:10:41,840
like a really ancient great library and

3562
02:10:45,270 --> 02:10:43,760
not a catholic church then i would have

3563
02:10:47,589 --> 02:10:45,280
been more upset about it a lot more

3564
02:10:49,669 --> 02:10:47,599
upset but because of what it represents

3565
02:10:51,990 --> 02:10:49,679
to me which essentially is part of the

3566
02:10:53,510 --> 02:10:52,000
enemy structure right because at the top

3567
02:10:55,189 --> 02:10:53,520
level of the catholic church you know

3568
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:55,199
let's just say that these are not people

3569
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:57,440
that are helping humanity so

3570
02:11:01,109 --> 02:10:59,360
yeah i took it that way you know again

3571
02:11:03,350 --> 02:11:01,119
of course as i say the building itself

3572
02:11:05,510 --> 02:11:03,360
beautiful you know ancient structures

3573
02:11:06,870 --> 02:11:05,520
always precious but yeah i have a mixed

3574
02:11:08,470 --> 02:11:06,880
view and i didn't like the way as well

3575
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:08,480
that we've been told to start clapping

3576
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:10,719
our hands because all these billionaires

3577
02:11:14,229 --> 02:11:11,920
have come out saying that they're going

3578
02:11:15,430 --> 02:11:14,239
to fork out hundreds of millions to fix

3579
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:15,440
it because what were they doing with

3580
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:16,800
that money yesterday jimmy you know what

3581
02:11:20,149 --> 02:11:18,480
i mean they've got this spare hundreds

3582
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:20,159
of millions and they're stepping over

3583
02:11:23,430 --> 02:11:21,760
starving kids and stuff and like you

3584
02:11:25,669 --> 02:11:23,440
know spitting on them

3585
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:25,679
but when it comes to you know artwork or

3586
02:11:29,270 --> 02:11:27,760
buildings they have you know there's no

3587
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:29,280
problem you know i've got hundreds of

3588
02:11:32,709 --> 02:11:31,199
millions to spend on that you know what

3589
02:11:35,270 --> 02:11:32,719
about on human beings why does it need

3590
02:11:37,189 --> 02:11:35,280
to test humanity so much but they love

3591
02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:37,199
buildings and artwork you know so that's

3592
02:11:40,470 --> 02:11:39,280
my view i have a very account of you to

3593
02:11:42,149 --> 02:11:40,480
a lot of people but that's where i look

3594
02:11:44,870 --> 02:11:42,159
at it i don't i think i look at the

3595
02:11:47,750 --> 02:11:44,880
representation of it

3596
02:11:51,430 --> 02:11:47,760
sometimes some things need to be said

3597
02:11:55,750 --> 02:11:53,669
i know um not well uh you know for me

3598
02:11:58,550 --> 02:11:55,760
it's it's the history of us no matter

3599
02:12:00,069 --> 02:11:58,560
what you know we have a few things on

3600
02:12:01,830 --> 02:12:00,079
this planet

3601
02:12:03,030 --> 02:12:01,840
that uh

3602
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:03,040
that

3603
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:10,800
the i don't want to see stuff go away

3604
02:12:13,830 --> 02:12:12,159
you know no i mean look to be honest the

3605
02:12:16,229 --> 02:12:13,840
building it sounds to me like beyond the

3606
02:12:19,109 --> 02:12:16,239
roof but the building is preserved right

3607
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:19,119
so so really i mean it's

3608
02:12:22,709 --> 02:12:20,400
yes they're gonna have to rebuild the

3609
02:12:23,589 --> 02:12:22,719
roof but all of the actual artifacts all

3610
02:12:24,870 --> 02:12:23,599
of the things that could have been

3611
02:12:26,629 --> 02:12:24,880
burned it sounds like they were already

3612
02:12:29,270 --> 02:12:26,639
either out of the place or removed

3613
02:12:32,069 --> 02:12:29,280
during the fire so i don't think there's

3614
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:32,079
been a i say a catastrophic loss of

3615
02:12:37,270 --> 02:12:34,480
history it's to be just a major major

3616
02:12:40,229 --> 02:12:37,280
repair job now uh and and thank you for

3617
02:12:42,790 --> 02:12:40,239
that and uh getting back to our uh

3618
02:12:43,669 --> 02:12:42,800
discussion right before the break where

3619
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:43,679
i was

3620
02:12:48,149 --> 02:12:45,760
you know referencing you know the

3621
02:12:49,990 --> 02:12:48,159
professional geneticists those that are

3622
02:12:53,589 --> 02:12:50,000
looking for markers and

3623
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:53,599
and understand what it would take to go

3624
02:12:58,149 --> 02:12:55,040
in and

3625
02:13:00,870 --> 02:12:58,159
have some type of ancient uh crispr like

3626
02:13:04,149 --> 02:13:00,880
you were referencing technology

3627
02:13:08,149 --> 02:13:04,159
to go in and to do a snip snip

3628
02:13:11,030 --> 02:13:08,159
they know that these changes um have to

3629
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:11,040
have been done by a professional

3630
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:14,400
right and our science today is just now

3631
02:13:20,629 --> 02:13:17,440
starting to figure out these mutations

3632
02:13:22,950 --> 02:13:20,639
and how we can modify dna so we can

3633
02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:22,960
improve things or change things and

3634
02:13:27,990 --> 02:13:25,360
diseases whatever hair hair and eye

3635
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:28,000
color for that matter but these these

3636
02:13:33,510 --> 02:13:30,960
modifications that happened in the past

3637
02:13:35,270 --> 02:13:33,520
had to have been done by a professional

3638
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:35,280
and that's what they understand because

3639
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:37,760
they know how difficult it is right

3640
02:13:41,589 --> 02:13:39,760
absolutely and like again you start

3641
02:13:43,669 --> 02:13:41,599
seeing some of the

3642
02:13:46,390 --> 02:13:43,679
the descriptions i really think they're

3643
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:46,400
hinting to us that they know this right

3644
02:13:49,430 --> 02:13:47,760
because first of all i mentioned surely

3645
02:13:50,950 --> 02:13:49,440
about the paper where they said it

3646
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:50,960
looked like you know a fragment had been

3647
02:13:54,550 --> 02:13:53,040
cut out xeroxed and put in like why

3648
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,560
would a scientist use a term like that

3649
02:13:57,750 --> 02:13:56,639
xeroxed isn't that like flagging up to

3650
02:13:59,990 --> 02:13:57,760
you that they think something

3651
02:14:02,790 --> 02:14:00,000
technological has been going on here and

3652
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:02,800
then if you look at this hr word and if

3653
02:14:06,790 --> 02:14:04,400
you don't mind i'll just i'll briefly

3654
02:14:09,030 --> 02:14:06,800
read a couple of paragraphs from

3655
02:14:11,430 --> 02:14:09,040
um catherine pollard phd the

3656
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:11,440
bioesthetician who first found it right

3657
02:14:14,950 --> 02:14:13,199
and see if you see you know reading the

3658
02:14:16,950 --> 02:14:14,960
lines what she seems to be telling us

3659
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:16,960
like the first one she says the fact

3660
02:14:22,310 --> 02:14:20,159
that har1 was essentially frozen in time

3661
02:14:23,910 --> 02:14:22,320
through hundreds of millions of years

3662
02:14:26,870 --> 02:14:23,920
indicates that it does something very

3663
02:14:29,109 --> 02:14:26,880
important that it then underwent abrupt

3664
02:14:31,430 --> 02:14:29,119
revision in humans suggests that the

3665
02:14:33,589 --> 02:14:31,440
function was significantly modified in

3666
02:14:35,350 --> 02:14:33,599
our lineage right so that's the first

3667
02:14:37,189 --> 02:14:35,360
one now that sounds a little bit like

3668
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:37,199
firstly like the hinting at something

3669
02:14:42,629 --> 02:14:40,320
right and then she goes on to to say

3670
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:42,639
again and this one i think is more to

3671
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:44,880
really to the point she says the way to

3672
02:14:49,430 --> 02:14:47,040
evolve a human from a chimp human

3673
02:14:51,350 --> 02:14:49,440
ancestor is not to speed the ticking of

3674
02:14:53,910 --> 02:14:51,360
the molecular clock as a whole

3675
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:53,920
rather the secret is to have rapid

3676
02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:55,920
change occur in sites where those

3677
02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:58,000
changes make an important difference in

3678
02:15:01,669 --> 02:14:59,760
organisms functioning

3679
02:15:03,589 --> 02:15:01,679
doesn't it start sounding like

3680
02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:03,599
someone who's saying that someone's come

3681
02:15:07,510 --> 02:15:05,520
in you know that is how you evolve a

3682
02:15:09,030 --> 02:15:07,520
human this is what you need to do you

3683
02:15:10,870 --> 02:15:09,040
know what i mean it's like hang on are

3684
02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:10,880
we talking about natural random

3685
02:15:14,709 --> 02:15:12,960
processes right right that language

3686
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:14,719
doesn't sound like it does it no she

3687
02:15:19,669 --> 02:15:16,719
didn't suggest it

3688
02:15:21,430 --> 02:15:19,679
she said that that is what happened yeah

3689
02:15:23,189 --> 02:15:21,440
and that's how you would do it you know

3690
02:15:25,510 --> 02:15:23,199
that if we were going to do it that's

3691
02:15:27,109 --> 02:15:25,520
what we'd be looking to do and the thing

3692
02:15:29,589 --> 02:15:27,119
is it's what they've realized is these

3693
02:15:31,030 --> 02:15:29,599
changes they're not in genes right

3694
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:31,040
whereas we've in the past we've always

3695
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:33,040
focused on genes but what they found

3696
02:15:36,790 --> 02:15:34,800
instead is that nearly all these changes

3697
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:36,800
are in what they call genetic switches

3698
02:15:41,830 --> 02:15:39,360
and genetic switches are control the

3699
02:15:44,229 --> 02:15:41,840
areas of the dna code that control

3700
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:44,239
how much a gene expresses so just to

3701
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:45,760
clarify for people what that means is

3702
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:48,719
that so let's say you've got a gene for

3703
02:15:54,310 --> 02:15:51,840
your arm now there'll be switches that

3704
02:15:56,229 --> 02:15:54,320
control how strongly that information

3705
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:56,239
expresses so how long your arm is how

3706
02:16:01,030 --> 02:15:58,800
big it is right so instead of putting a

3707
02:16:03,430 --> 02:16:01,040
different gene in what you do is you go

3708
02:16:04,790 --> 02:16:03,440
in and you modify the code in the switch

3709
02:16:07,990 --> 02:16:04,800
because then that can now make you have

3710
02:16:09,910 --> 02:16:08,000
a longer arm a shorter arm no arm

3711
02:16:12,870 --> 02:16:09,920
you can just turn it off right right

3712
02:16:15,109 --> 02:16:12,880
have an arm right so so this starts

3713
02:16:17,189 --> 02:16:15,119
we're starting to just realize right

3714
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:17,199
that it's not about genes but it looks

3715
02:16:20,550 --> 02:16:19,119
like somebody else is a long way ahead

3716
02:16:22,709 --> 02:16:20,560
of us because they don't come in and

3717
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:22,719
just start they do they do splice in

3718
02:16:27,430 --> 02:16:24,719
some genes right we have got

3719
02:16:29,589 --> 02:16:27,440
genes in our system they're called um

3720
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:29,599
let's see horizontal this horizontal

3721
02:16:33,190 --> 02:16:31,679
gene transfer right which means there's

3722
02:16:35,110 --> 02:16:33,200
genes in humans that came from other

3723
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:35,120
species right when some of them are from

3724
02:16:38,389 --> 02:16:36,880
bacteria other animals it's like quite

3725
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:38,399
strange but it's at least i think it's

3726
02:16:41,910 --> 02:16:39,840
at least 100 and something genes have

3727
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:41,920
been detected now which are not from

3728
02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:44,559
ancestors so that happens as well but

3729
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:45,920
what they've realized is the main thing

3730
02:16:50,070 --> 02:16:48,319
is not adding genes is going in and

3731
02:16:53,349 --> 02:16:50,080
fiddling around with these switches so

3732
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:53,359
it looks like somebody is well well well

3733
02:16:57,509 --> 02:16:55,439
away you know ahead of us because they

3734
02:16:59,110 --> 02:16:57,519
know the code so well that they can go

3735
02:17:01,429 --> 02:16:59,120
in and change these areas as the woman

3736
02:17:03,270 --> 02:17:01,439
said right that normally

3737
02:17:05,190 --> 02:17:03,280
those areas are frozen in time you know

3738
02:17:06,950 --> 02:17:05,200
because they're so crucial that if we

3739
02:17:09,030 --> 02:17:06,960
tried to do that now you can be

3740
02:17:11,750 --> 02:17:09,040
absolutely certain we would kill the

3741
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:11,760
fetus right it will come out so messed

3742
02:17:14,549 --> 02:17:12,479
up

3743
02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:14,559
right because we do not understand these

3744
02:17:18,389 --> 02:17:16,719
switches at all but someone has come in

3745
02:17:20,150 --> 02:17:18,399
and changed like a thousand of them

3746
02:17:21,990 --> 02:17:20,160
without a problem you know without

3747
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:22,000
leading to our extinction whereas we'd

3748
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:23,519
be scared to mess with one of those

3749
02:17:26,469 --> 02:17:25,679
because they're so fundamental to life

3750
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:26,479
like

3751
02:17:30,309 --> 02:17:28,319
how far ahead is that and i actually

3752
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:30,319
think the lesson in this might be that

3753
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:31,760
it might actually frighten the

3754
02:17:35,190 --> 02:17:32,960
scientists that working with chris

3755
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:35,200
sparrow enough to realize we are

3756
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:37,359
thousands of years behind whoever did

3757
02:17:40,629 --> 02:17:39,200
that and that if we try and replicate

3758
02:17:42,950 --> 02:17:40,639
that we're more likely to make ourselves

3759
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:42,960
extinct than to upgrade ourselves and

3760
02:17:47,349 --> 02:17:46,160
and now to understand the significance

3761
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:47,359
of this

3762
02:17:51,750 --> 02:17:49,120
if we

3763
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:51,760
had the ability to go in say with the

3764
02:17:56,389 --> 02:17:54,240
chimp right which is about as close to

3765
02:17:58,790 --> 02:17:56,399
us as as we have

3766
02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:58,800
out there right okay we going to modify

3767
02:18:02,870 --> 02:18:01,200
it a chimp's dna

3768
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:02,880
for them to have

3769
02:18:06,469 --> 02:18:04,399
speech

3770
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:06,479
right to go into modif we would

3771
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:08,559
understand how

3772
02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:10,399
how technically

3773
02:18:16,469 --> 02:18:13,120
uh advanced that would be to go in do a

3774
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:16,479
snip and then suddenly tomorrow all

3775
02:18:21,349 --> 02:18:18,319
chimps speak

3776
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:21,359
now that would be a pretty astounding

3777
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:24,399
step and leap forward in science today

3778
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:25,920
suddenly we've got

3779
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:28,080
chimps speaking of course the vision of

3780
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:30,880
uh planet of the apes comes to mind

3781
02:18:34,709 --> 02:18:31,760
but

3782
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:34,719
that is essential essentially what

3783
02:18:39,990 --> 02:18:37,359
happened with us it is just the same

3784
02:18:41,589 --> 02:18:40,000
significance isn't it yes it is yes

3785
02:18:42,629 --> 02:18:41,599
absolutely and like you just said i

3786
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:42,639
think that's a good way of putting it

3787
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:44,319
because you imagine that one

3788
02:18:49,669 --> 02:18:46,960
mind-boggling scenario of us upgrading

3789
02:18:52,709 --> 02:18:49,679
chimps to speak tomorrow but instead

3790
02:18:55,110 --> 02:18:52,719
they've upgraded a chimp-like creature

3791
02:18:57,030 --> 02:18:55,120
you know some ancestor you know an early

3792
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:57,040
an early hominin primate whatever these

3793
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:58,880
it's a little chimp-like being right

3794
02:19:02,389 --> 02:19:00,800
that they have taken and they have

3795
02:19:04,709 --> 02:19:02,399
turned it not only to you know saying

3796
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:04,719
they can speak but you know it's upright

3797
02:19:11,349 --> 02:19:07,679
walking hairless speaking complex

3798
02:19:13,349 --> 02:19:11,359
society you know is they have done the

3799
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:13,359
incredible they've done you know the

3800
02:19:18,070 --> 02:19:16,000
speech and you know dozens of things to

3801
02:19:19,429 --> 02:19:18,080
us where we are now completely different

3802
02:19:20,870 --> 02:19:19,439
and one of the things they did and you

3803
02:19:22,150 --> 02:19:20,880
touched on something on you said about

3804
02:19:23,990 --> 02:19:22,160
how we look very different and you know

3805
02:19:25,750 --> 02:19:24,000
they were hair loss and all you know the

3806
02:19:27,190 --> 02:19:25,760
features of the face like one of the

3807
02:19:28,950 --> 02:19:27,200
things that's really funny is if you if

3808
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:28,960
you look at um

3809
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:31,120
look at a baby chimpanzee right and you

3810
02:19:34,549 --> 02:19:33,200
put it against a young human right

3811
02:19:36,469 --> 02:19:34,559
you'll see actually that they're they're

3812
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:36,479
really similar the major differences

3813
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:37,760
between us and the chimp are in the

3814
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:39,599
adult stage right because that's when

3815
02:19:43,429 --> 02:19:41,280
the jaw goes forward and they get the

3816
02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:43,439
brow ridges and they get really hairy

3817
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:44,479
you know

3818
02:19:48,630 --> 02:19:46,639
so what they did like they basically

3819
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:48,640
turned off our adulthood it was well

3820
02:19:52,950 --> 02:19:50,319
amongst the changes they did they

3821
02:19:55,990 --> 02:19:52,960
stopped us becoming adults so what we

3822
02:19:57,590 --> 02:19:56,000
have is juvenile ape features right so

3823
02:19:59,590 --> 02:19:57,600
instead of ever getting that protruding

3824
02:20:01,349 --> 02:19:59,600
draw that's been turned off we just get

3825
02:20:02,309 --> 02:20:01,359
a baby ape face right so and you think

3826
02:20:04,070 --> 02:20:02,319
when you when they're born they're

3827
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:04,080
basically pretty hairless right so we

3828
02:20:07,830 --> 02:20:05,680
don't get hair we're born as like as a

3829
02:20:09,270 --> 02:20:07,840
fetus right and then we continue to

3830
02:20:10,870 --> 02:20:09,280
develop for a little while and after

3831
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:10,880
that but we retain

3832
02:20:13,990 --> 02:20:12,160
our childhood features it's called

3833
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:14,000
gnottomy it's called increased neotiny

3834
02:20:16,469 --> 02:20:14,880
and they've realized that we're

3835
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:16,479
basically what's called a neo-technic

3836
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:18,640
ape that it seems that someone has just

3837
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:21,760
turned off adulthood for us because

3838
02:20:25,510 --> 02:20:23,920
young creatures

3839
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:25,520
are more flexible in their minds right

3840
02:20:28,389 --> 02:20:26,720
they can learn more we know that even

3841
02:20:30,550 --> 02:20:28,399
our children look how much easier they

3842
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:30,560
learn and how flexible their minds are

3843
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:32,160
so they've given us they've extended our

3844
02:20:34,870 --> 02:20:33,840
childhood throughout our lifetime and

3845
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:34,880
one of the reasons you can see that's

3846
02:20:37,750 --> 02:20:36,960
happened again is if you think about it

3847
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:37,760
right

3848
02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:39,280
nearly everyone has problems with their

3849
02:20:42,710 --> 02:20:40,960
teeth right because too many teeth to

3850
02:20:44,309 --> 02:20:42,720
fit in your mouth right so people have

3851
02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:44,319
to have their wisdom teeth taken out or

3852
02:20:47,590 --> 02:20:45,840
they have really crooked teeth like

3853
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:47,600
loads of people got braces that's

3854
02:20:51,670 --> 02:20:50,000
because they switched off our elongated

3855
02:20:53,110 --> 02:20:51,680
jaw that came with adulthood but we

3856
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:53,120
still have the same number of teeth

3857
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:54,640
right because evolution hasn't caught up

3858
02:20:58,230 --> 02:20:56,479
yet because it was that sudden if it was

3859
02:21:00,389 --> 02:20:58,240
a gradual thing we wouldn't have those

3860
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:00,399
extra teeth they just switched it off

3861
02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:01,840
but we're still growing them yes and

3862
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,600
they said even it's just starting now

3863
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:05,200
that people are being born who don't

3864
02:21:08,710 --> 02:21:06,880
have wisdom teeth right because it's

3865
02:21:09,910 --> 02:21:08,720
just starting to catch up because they

3866
02:21:12,070 --> 02:21:09,920
did they just literally they went and

3867
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:12,080
they're like turn that off you know this

3868
02:21:17,349 --> 02:21:14,880
on turn this off modify this and they

3869
02:21:20,230 --> 02:21:17,359
created us as this kind of weird

3870
02:21:22,950 --> 02:21:20,240
eternally young ape with all these extra

3871
02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:22,960
modifications and yeah it's bizarre it's

3872
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:25,040
turned on you start seeing yeah when you

3873
02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:26,720
like me geeking into the science of it

3874
02:21:30,150 --> 02:21:28,479
you start to realize yeah what changes

3875
02:21:31,990 --> 02:21:30,160
they did and how they've made us and

3876
02:21:33,349 --> 02:21:32,000
it's really it makes sense you know what

3877
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:33,359
i mean it's one of these things it's

3878
02:21:36,790 --> 02:21:35,840
like oh yeah i get that now it's that

3879
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:36,800
weird

3880
02:21:41,750 --> 02:21:39,840
well with uh with anthropologists and

3881
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:41,760
anthropology in general you know

3882
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,840
studying us and how we got here in

3883
02:21:47,910 --> 02:21:45,520
linguistics and

3884
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:47,920
and everything else in society i

3885
02:21:50,230 --> 02:21:49,359
understand that

3886
02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:50,240
um

3887
02:21:55,349 --> 02:21:53,120
but we've had those genetic changes in

3888
02:21:58,230 --> 02:21:55,359
us for us to

3889
02:22:01,429 --> 02:21:58,240
uh develop uh governments and religions

3890
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:01,439
and laughter and and you know comedy and

3891
02:22:05,750 --> 02:22:03,520
sadness and and all of these things that

3892
02:22:06,870 --> 02:22:05,760
that make us us today

3893
02:22:10,389 --> 02:22:06,880
but

3894
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:10,399
why what what's the excuse that they

3895
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:11,280
have

3896
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:18,240
along the same timeline

3897
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:19,840
why aren't they

3898
02:22:25,030 --> 02:22:23,280
houses

3899
02:22:28,550 --> 02:22:25,040
and computer systems and i know that

3900
02:22:31,910 --> 02:22:28,560
these are stupid fundamental questions

3901
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:31,920
but it's the obvious why haven't those

3902
02:22:37,750 --> 02:22:35,280
same changes happen naturally if they

3903
02:22:40,309 --> 02:22:37,760
are trying to say to us

3904
02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:40,319
that all of this was natural

3905
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:41,439
yeah i mean that's and that's not going

3906
02:22:44,070 --> 02:22:42,720
to put a lot but i think it's actually

3907
02:22:46,230 --> 02:22:44,080
got worse because they used to be able

3908
02:22:47,990 --> 02:22:46,240
to give you know a kind of reasonable

3909
02:22:49,030 --> 02:22:48,000
answer to that but now it's worse jimmy

3910
02:22:51,510 --> 02:22:49,040
because think about it now we've got

3911
02:22:53,590 --> 02:22:51,520
these these these homo these humans

3912
02:22:55,270 --> 02:22:53,600
right like in the philippines and then

3913
02:22:57,830 --> 02:22:55,280
home and a lady in africa who are

3914
02:23:01,110 --> 02:22:57,840
supposed to be homo you know genus like

3915
02:23:02,790 --> 02:23:01,120
us but they look like kind of gyms right

3916
02:23:03,830 --> 02:23:02,800
so so usually they say well you know the

3917
02:23:05,190 --> 02:23:03,840
chimps have gone down a different

3918
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:05,200
evolutionary line and you know they're

3919
02:23:08,790 --> 02:23:06,880
specialized where they live and you know

3920
02:23:11,110 --> 02:23:08,800
we can't compare chimps to humans all

3921
02:23:12,550 --> 02:23:11,120
right fine i'll accept that what about

3922
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:12,560
these other humans then that you'll find

3923
02:23:17,349 --> 02:23:14,479
on these islands who seem to be like

3924
02:23:18,469 --> 02:23:17,359
weird chimps yeah so why aren't they

3925
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:18,479
like us

3926
02:23:22,230 --> 02:23:20,240
what about you so that argument is yeah

3927
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:22,240
so now they can't really easily reject

3928
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:24,080
that argument anymore because

3929
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:25,280
there's these other homeowners that

3930
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:27,200
haven't turned into us as well there's

3931
02:23:32,309 --> 02:23:30,560
neanderthal and cro-magnon as well

3932
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:32,319
well they're they're closer to us but if

3933
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:33,760
you look at yeah if you look at the lady

3934
02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:34,720
and like you said the one in the

3935
02:23:38,230 --> 02:23:36,000
philippines i mean they're like three

3936
02:23:41,670 --> 02:23:38,240
what three foot something high with like

3937
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:41,680
chimpanzees and stuff so i mean that for

3938
02:23:45,270 --> 02:23:43,840
the scientific model is a real problem

3939
02:23:47,910 --> 02:23:45,280
because and they're living like really

3940
02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:47,920
near to modern humans

3941
02:23:51,030 --> 02:23:49,520
what the hell is going on yeah fifty

3942
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:51,040
thousand fifty thousand years ago and on

3943
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:53,120
islands where you only have to swim like

3944
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:54,640
the next island in it pretty much and

3945
02:23:58,790 --> 02:23:56,720
there's modern humans like how on earth

3946
02:24:01,030 --> 02:23:58,800
does it make sense if we're all homo and

3947
02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:01,040
we're all evolving naturally towards you

3948
02:24:04,790 --> 02:24:03,600
know modern humans supposedly but then

3949
02:24:07,510 --> 02:24:04,800
you go to an island and there's just

3950
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:07,520
these little chin people right so it

3951
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:08,880
doesn't stack up anymore and then when

3952
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:10,880
they found homeowner in south africa

3953
02:24:13,750 --> 02:24:12,240
they were like they looked and they said

3954
02:24:15,750 --> 02:24:13,760
well these are obviously two million

3955
02:24:16,870 --> 02:24:15,760
year old fossils and then when they got

3956
02:24:18,790 --> 02:24:16,880
them dated they were two hundred

3957
02:24:19,750 --> 02:24:18,800
thousand years old they couldn't believe

3958
02:24:21,429 --> 02:24:19,760
it because they said they were so

3959
02:24:23,429 --> 02:24:21,439
archaic and they're living in south

3960
02:24:24,950 --> 02:24:23,439
africa where there's modern humans right

3961
02:24:26,630 --> 02:24:24,960
so surely they would have evolved just

3962
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:26,640
like us if it's natural that's right

3963
02:24:34,309 --> 02:24:32,469
so we're finding pockets of what humors

3964
02:24:36,550 --> 02:24:34,319
would have looked like if natural

3965
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:36,560
evolution had continued and basically

3966
02:24:42,070 --> 02:24:38,880
they've hardly changed from chimpmen

3967
02:24:44,790 --> 02:24:42,080
right the i know i know i know it it

3968
02:24:48,230 --> 02:24:44,800
reminds me of uh my cousin vinnie uh the

3969
02:24:51,590 --> 02:24:48,240
movie uh when marissa tormey says uh the

3970
02:24:53,670 --> 02:24:51,600
defense's case doesn't hold water

3971
02:24:55,670 --> 02:24:53,680
no it doesn't it just doesn't hold on

3972
02:24:58,070 --> 02:24:55,680
fast yeah it doesn't hold a lot of stuff

3973
02:25:01,270 --> 02:24:58,080
well uh you you mentioned earlier and i

3974
02:25:02,870 --> 02:25:01,280
want to give you a chance to uh to take

3975
02:25:03,670 --> 02:25:02,880
this a little bit further

3976
02:25:05,270 --> 02:25:03,680
when

3977
02:25:07,429 --> 02:25:05,280
you know these are

3978
02:25:09,590 --> 02:25:07,439
what i think all of us consider the days

3979
02:25:11,990 --> 02:25:09,600
of disclosure where we're getting really

3980
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:12,000
close to something breaking wide open i

3981
02:25:16,389 --> 02:25:14,080
don't know what it's going to be

3982
02:25:18,950 --> 02:25:16,399
or when it's going to happen but i feel

3983
02:25:21,670 --> 02:25:18,960
the pressure of of where we are today

3984
02:25:22,550 --> 02:25:21,680
and it's a great time for us to be us

3985
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:22,560
but

3986
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:24,560
are you suggesting that it may not

3987
02:25:30,230 --> 02:25:27,920
necessarily come from the skies or some

3988
02:25:31,670 --> 02:25:30,240
you know everybody talks about a uh you

3989
02:25:34,070 --> 02:25:31,680
know flying saucer on the white house

3990
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:34,080
lawn that it may actually come from the

3991
02:25:39,429 --> 02:25:36,000
historical record and that's where the

3992
02:25:41,830 --> 02:25:39,439
definitive proof of proof may come from

3993
02:25:43,429 --> 02:25:41,840
i do i think that what's happened here

3994
02:25:45,510 --> 02:25:43,439
is that this object that has been

3995
02:25:47,590 --> 02:25:45,520
activated has been activated very

3996
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:47,600
deliberately by these intelligences

3997
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:49,439
because they understand we're never

3998
02:25:53,830 --> 02:25:51,280
going to get disclosure in the way that

3999
02:25:56,070 --> 02:25:53,840
we're hoping it will come right it's

4000
02:25:57,750 --> 02:25:56,080
never going to come on the platter from

4001
02:25:59,510 --> 02:25:57,760
the deep state and they're just going to

4002
02:26:01,030 --> 02:25:59,520
hand it all over to us right there's

4003
02:26:03,030 --> 02:26:01,040
going to be some elements of it we know

4004
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:03,040
yep it's bubbling up there's some stuff

4005
02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:04,240
yes there'll be some stuff but they'll

4006
02:26:08,710 --> 02:26:06,240
control the narrative someone else is

4007
02:26:10,469 --> 02:26:08,720
stepping in and saying no we control the

4008
02:26:12,150 --> 02:26:10,479
narrative right

4009
02:26:13,510 --> 02:26:12,160
and i think that's what's happening i

4010
02:26:15,349 --> 02:26:13,520
think they they see these things

4011
02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:15,359
happening they know that yes you know

4012
02:26:19,030 --> 02:26:17,680
there's going to be some tested debris

4013
02:26:20,550 --> 02:26:19,040
coming out in the next few months

4014
02:26:23,590 --> 02:26:20,560
there's going to be probably some more

4015
02:26:25,349 --> 02:26:23,600
disclosures on human origin look

4016
02:26:27,349 --> 02:26:25,359
dude if you look at say for example

4017
02:26:29,110 --> 02:26:27,359
let's look at ttsa right because

4018
02:26:30,790 --> 02:26:29,120
obviously that's right now that's what's

4019
02:26:33,030 --> 02:26:30,800
hot right now you know that they are

4020
02:26:34,870 --> 02:26:33,040
dealing with craft debris they've got a

4021
02:26:37,349 --> 02:26:34,880
book series which tackles some of the

4022
02:26:39,670 --> 02:26:37,359
same stuff i tackle but book three of

4023
02:26:41,429 --> 02:26:39,680
gods is supposed to tackle the origins

4024
02:26:42,469 --> 02:26:41,439
of humans right

4025
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:42,479
so what do you think they're gonna come

4026
02:26:45,270 --> 02:26:44,000
out with i'm gonna tell you then come

4027
02:26:46,870 --> 02:26:45,280
out with more or less exactly what i'm

4028
02:26:48,469 --> 02:26:46,880
telling you aren't they because

4029
02:26:50,469 --> 02:26:48,479
right but i'm just i'm just telling you

4030
02:26:51,990 --> 02:26:50,479
it now and i'm not in the deep state

4031
02:26:54,389 --> 02:26:52,000
right i'm not in any of that i've just

4032
02:26:56,070 --> 02:26:54,399
done it on my own like she's a geek he's

4033
02:26:58,469 --> 02:26:56,080
into these things and who has a contact

4034
02:27:00,230 --> 02:26:58,479
he experiences who's connected to people

4035
02:27:01,590 --> 02:27:00,240
in the experience of contacting

4036
02:27:03,590 --> 02:27:01,600
community that's led me to this

4037
02:27:06,150 --> 02:27:03,600
information it's quite clear to me that

4038
02:27:06,950 --> 02:27:06,160
the intelligence these beings want us to

4039
02:27:09,429 --> 02:27:06,960
know

4040
02:27:11,750 --> 02:27:09,439
what actually happened without some deep

4041
02:27:12,710 --> 02:27:11,760
state narrative put over the top of it

4042
02:27:14,469 --> 02:27:12,720
if people want to wait for that

4043
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:14,479
disclosure that's fine but i would say

4044
02:27:17,830 --> 02:27:16,000
that anyone who's listened properly to

4045
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:17,840
our conversation jimmy has already had

4046
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:20,399
disclosure because what else do you want

4047
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:22,000
you know i'm giving you all the genetic

4048
02:27:25,990 --> 02:27:23,760
data you know i'm giving you craft

4049
02:27:28,710 --> 02:27:26,000
debris like if people still say but i

4050
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:28,720
need it to come from a ci agent well i

4051
02:27:32,070 --> 02:27:31,200
can't help you well

4052
02:27:33,110 --> 02:27:32,080
now

4053
02:27:37,750 --> 02:27:33,120
that

4054
02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:37,760
perplexing problem

4055
02:27:43,110 --> 02:27:41,840
and not only uh for for ttsa but for all

4056
02:27:46,469 --> 02:27:43,120
of us

4057
02:27:50,469 --> 02:27:46,479
and i'll and i'll say it like this ttsa

4058
02:27:54,630 --> 02:27:50,479
is its foundation is uh the military

4059
02:27:57,349 --> 02:27:54,640
industrial complex and and the cia and

4060
02:27:59,270 --> 02:27:57,359
secret government agencies and programs

4061
02:28:01,349 --> 02:27:59,280
that is something that i do not trust

4062
02:28:03,590 --> 02:28:01,359
and most of this com community does not

4063
02:28:05,590 --> 02:28:03,600
either or most of the world for that

4064
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:05,600
matter so i mean we know they're

4065
02:28:09,030 --> 02:28:07,439
professional you know professional

4066
02:28:10,830 --> 02:28:09,040
secret keepers at least if not

4067
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:10,840
professional liars some of

4068
02:28:15,349 --> 02:28:12,640
them part of their job you know it's not

4069
02:28:16,950 --> 02:28:15,359
to to slander them in personal terms but

4070
02:28:20,070 --> 02:28:16,960
you know that's the job you do that's

4071
02:28:21,910 --> 02:28:20,080
what they are yeah it's the job yeah so

4072
02:28:24,710 --> 02:28:21,920
we're not supposed to really completely

4073
02:28:26,790 --> 02:28:24,720
trust people in those fields

4074
02:28:29,030 --> 02:28:26,800
that's not to say that they can't have

4075
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:29,040
you know good interest or do good stuff

4076
02:28:31,990 --> 02:28:30,720
i do think ttsa is going to come out

4077
02:28:33,830 --> 02:28:32,000
with some interesting stuff and it's

4078
02:28:36,150 --> 02:28:33,840
probably going to bring forth as much as

4079
02:28:37,349 --> 02:28:36,160
they can you know i'm not i've got no

4080
02:28:39,110 --> 02:28:37,359
reason to say that they are just going

4081
02:28:41,990 --> 02:28:39,120
to just totally

4082
02:28:43,349 --> 02:28:42,000
you know budget but also how deep does

4083
02:28:45,349 --> 02:28:43,359
their access go i mean it's been

4084
02:28:48,070 --> 02:28:45,359
admitted that atip didn't have you know

4085
02:28:50,469 --> 02:28:48,080
special access project status right so

4086
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:50,479
it's not totally deep deep deep state

4087
02:28:55,110 --> 02:28:53,600
yeah it's fairly surface level so you

4088
02:28:57,510 --> 02:28:55,120
know i'm sure there's probably networks

4089
02:28:58,870 --> 02:28:57,520
into the deeper state but you know as it

4090
02:29:00,870 --> 02:28:58,880
stands there's no reason to think that

4091
02:29:02,309 --> 02:29:00,880
the really deep projects you know are

4092
02:29:04,070 --> 02:29:02,319
going to come up and start saying hey

4093
02:29:05,830 --> 02:29:04,080
yeah you know we've got all this genetic

4094
02:29:07,590 --> 02:29:05,840
engineering going on and we've got alien

4095
02:29:09,030 --> 02:29:07,600
bodies or you know i don't think that's

4096
02:29:11,190 --> 02:29:09,040
going to happen right now do you i mean

4097
02:29:13,110 --> 02:29:11,200
that looks something no i don't i don't

4098
02:29:15,270 --> 02:29:13,120
it would have already happened and it's

4099
02:29:16,790 --> 02:29:15,280
not going to happen on history channel i

4100
02:29:18,389 --> 02:29:16,800
can tell you that right now it's just

4101
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:18,399
not going to so i think the

4102
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:20,080
extraterrestrial intelligence is look

4103
02:29:23,670 --> 02:29:21,680
they're doing this themselves i couldn't

4104
02:29:25,510 --> 02:29:23,680
look i couldn't possibly be here with

4105
02:29:27,910 --> 02:29:25,520
this data if they hadn't done that

4106
02:29:29,270 --> 02:29:27,920
triggering of this device and giving the

4107
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:29,280
information to someone that's been

4108
02:29:32,790 --> 02:29:31,280
passed on to me right that couldn't have

4109
02:29:34,309 --> 02:29:32,800
happened my wife and i both contact

4110
02:29:36,710 --> 02:29:34,319
these experiences my wife has had

4111
02:29:38,389 --> 02:29:36,720
extensive abductions but these

4112
02:29:40,230 --> 02:29:38,399
abductions are unlike most abductions

4113
02:29:41,510 --> 02:29:40,240
he's been taken to

4114
02:29:43,030 --> 02:29:41,520
i don't know if it's a parallel reality

4115
02:29:45,110 --> 02:29:43,040
what it is but taking what through seems

4116
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:45,120
to be through time to palenque in the

4117
02:29:49,429 --> 02:29:47,040
seventh century she had about 100

4118
02:29:51,349 --> 02:29:49,439
journeys right to this city which is if

4119
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:51,359
you know eric von daniken's work the lid

4120
02:29:56,150 --> 02:29:53,760
of pacao i have it and i have it i have

4121
02:29:57,910 --> 02:29:56,160
the little cow right here in the studio

4122
02:29:59,990 --> 02:29:57,920
that's where she was taken continually

4123
02:30:01,270 --> 02:30:00,000
every few days or every few nights she

4124
02:30:02,950 --> 02:30:01,280
would find herself what felt like being

4125
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:02,960
pulled through the wall and she would

4126
02:30:08,150 --> 02:30:05,200
find herself inhabiting the body of a

4127
02:30:10,230 --> 02:30:08,160
very very tall mayan lady

4128
02:30:12,469 --> 02:30:10,240
right who was one of the members of the

4129
02:30:13,750 --> 02:30:12,479
elite in palenque in the seventh century

4130
02:30:16,309 --> 02:30:13,760
under bacal

4131
02:30:18,230 --> 02:30:16,319
uh pikal was not human these are hybrids

4132
02:30:20,630 --> 02:30:18,240
they were all hybrids they leaked they

4133
02:30:22,389 --> 02:30:20,640
were typically around two meters to two

4134
02:30:24,230 --> 02:30:22,399
and a half meters tall right and if it

4135
02:30:26,550 --> 02:30:24,240
was to check that out you think well is

4136
02:30:28,870 --> 02:30:26,560
can that be validated right have a look

4137
02:30:31,429 --> 02:30:28,880
at the engravings of the temple of the

4138
02:30:33,750 --> 02:30:31,439
foliated cross at plenty and you'll see

4139
02:30:35,190 --> 02:30:33,760
the leaders are portrayed right with

4140
02:30:37,110 --> 02:30:35,200
their servants next to them and the

4141
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:37,120
servants are standing on boxes like

4142
02:30:41,750 --> 02:30:39,760
giant boxes and there's still a head and

4143
02:30:42,870 --> 02:30:41,760
shoulders shorter than them right so

4144
02:30:44,870 --> 02:30:42,880
this isn't just something we're putting

4145
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:44,880
out of nowhere and in these experiences

4146
02:30:48,150 --> 02:30:46,800
underneath the city there was there were

4147
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:48,160
areas with

4148
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:50,479
labs and in these labs there's these

4149
02:30:54,870 --> 02:30:52,319
platinum hybrids in some of them

4150
02:30:57,670 --> 02:30:54,880
operating in other areas of the city in

4151
02:30:59,830 --> 02:30:57,680
labs there are tall grays right doing

4152
02:31:01,510 --> 02:30:59,840
experiments creating some sort of weird

4153
02:31:02,389 --> 02:31:01,520
super soldiers and all sorts of strange

4154
02:31:04,469 --> 02:31:02,399
stuff

4155
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:04,479
and there's this whole weird thing going

4156
02:31:07,429 --> 02:31:05,840
on there my wife look

4157
02:31:08,630 --> 02:31:07,439
again you know

4158
02:31:10,230 --> 02:31:08,640
i don't expect people just say okay i

4159
02:31:11,670 --> 02:31:10,240
just believe this right and said this is

4160
02:31:13,910 --> 02:31:11,680
how we actually got pulled into a lot of

4161
02:31:15,670 --> 02:31:13,920
this stuff is the events that we had uh

4162
02:31:17,590 --> 02:31:15,680
i've had a lot of events myself and

4163
02:31:19,429 --> 02:31:17,600
these pledians were there and they

4164
02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:19,439
started saying to her look you know york

4165
02:31:22,309 --> 02:31:20,720
actually you know you and your husband

4166
02:31:25,030 --> 02:31:22,319
are connected to us you have a soul

4167
02:31:26,710 --> 02:31:25,040
history connection to us you know again

4168
02:31:28,230 --> 02:31:26,720
don't believe this i don't necessarily

4169
02:31:30,230 --> 02:31:28,240
just swallow things that they say but

4170
02:31:32,389 --> 02:31:30,240
they've said that they consider us to be

4171
02:31:34,150 --> 02:31:32,399
members of their alliance and on earth

4172
02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:34,160
that's what they've said you know i'm

4173
02:31:38,389 --> 02:31:36,479
not going to put my hat on it because

4174
02:31:40,150 --> 02:31:38,399
again you know i can't prove it but they

4175
02:31:41,990 --> 02:31:40,160
then start transferring information to

4176
02:31:43,910 --> 02:31:42,000
us and that has led to this connection

4177
02:31:45,670 --> 02:31:43,920
that we had with this other person who

4178
02:31:47,510 --> 02:31:45,680
had this contact experience with

4179
02:31:49,429 --> 02:31:47,520
alcharinga and all this information so

4180
02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:49,439
there's a complex back story and

4181
02:31:53,030 --> 02:31:51,520
obviously i can't fit it all into

4182
02:31:54,870 --> 02:31:53,040
this one conversation with you but i've

4183
02:31:56,710 --> 02:31:54,880
tried to obviously focus on what's most

4184
02:31:57,910 --> 02:31:56,720
important but yeah yeah we've been

4185
02:31:59,270 --> 02:31:57,920
getting a lot of comment we've had a lot

4186
02:32:01,110 --> 02:31:59,280
of stuff happen there's a reason why

4187
02:32:03,510 --> 02:32:01,120
we've got a point where i have so much

4188
02:32:05,270 --> 02:32:03,520
data that i can sit here and confidently

4189
02:32:07,510 --> 02:32:05,280
tell you i have craft debris you know

4190
02:32:09,190 --> 02:32:07,520
talk about specific genes and fusions

4191
02:32:11,270 --> 02:32:09,200
and you know this hasn't just come out

4192
02:32:13,349 --> 02:32:11,280
of nowhere this is you know these years

4193
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:13,359
of things have been going on for myself

4194
02:32:17,110 --> 02:32:15,040
and my wife and our connections with a

4195
02:32:19,510 --> 02:32:17,120
lot of people who are are not ordinary

4196
02:32:22,309 --> 02:32:19,520
people as well now working where can

4197
02:32:24,150 --> 02:32:22,319
everybody uh we're we've got about 60

4198
02:32:25,510 --> 02:32:24,160
seconds left and i do want to thank you

4199
02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:25,520
in advance for

4200
02:32:29,590 --> 02:32:27,520
uh not only a fascinating conversation

4201
02:32:31,670 --> 02:32:29,600
but some of the most fun i've had on

4202
02:32:33,510 --> 02:32:31,680
this show acquiring knowledge in a very

4203
02:32:35,990 --> 02:32:33,520
long time so thank you for that where

4204
02:32:38,790 --> 02:32:36,000
can everybody go get both books both uh

4205
02:32:40,469 --> 02:32:38,800
the forgotten exit is and of course uh

4206
02:32:42,469 --> 02:32:40,479
hybrid humans

4207
02:32:44,710 --> 02:32:42,479
sure i mean both both are available on

4208
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:44,720
amazon so if you know uh if they want to

4209
02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:46,560
get either on ebook or print they're

4210
02:32:50,790 --> 02:32:48,399
both on amazon obviously there's a book

4211
02:32:52,710 --> 02:32:50,800
website hybridhumans.net

4212
02:32:54,870 --> 02:32:52,720
they can go on there get more details

4213
02:32:57,349 --> 02:32:54,880
and get copies of that one and my

4214
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:57,359
personal website bruce fenton dot info

4215
02:33:01,510 --> 02:32:59,040
there's details about into africa but

4216
02:33:02,950 --> 02:33:01,520
yeah really at the moment they can go to

4217
02:33:05,030 --> 02:33:02,960
amazon if they contact me i can i can

4218
02:33:06,710 --> 02:33:05,040
actually post out copy signed copies if

4219
02:33:08,070 --> 02:33:06,720
someone wants one

4220
02:33:11,349 --> 02:33:08,080
and they can email me contact me through

4221
02:33:13,590 --> 02:33:11,359
twitter facebook or email at bruce

4222
02:33:15,750 --> 02:33:13,600
bruce fenton dot info so if they want a

4223
02:33:17,270 --> 02:33:15,760
signed copy i will forewarn as well that

4224
02:33:18,469 --> 02:33:17,280
this book hybrid humors will only be

4225
02:33:19,910 --> 02:33:18,479
available for another three months

4226
02:33:21,830 --> 02:33:19,920
because i have a book deal which means

4227
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:21,840
it will be coming off the market and a

4228
02:33:26,389 --> 02:33:23,680
rewritten elongated version will come

4229
02:33:28,389 --> 02:33:26,399
out next year so if anyone wants to get

4230
02:33:29,670 --> 02:33:28,399
some of the lowdown of this now and not

4231
02:33:31,750 --> 02:33:29,680
have to wait till april or something

4232
02:33:33,429 --> 02:33:31,760
next year i would suggest you know

4233
02:33:35,510 --> 02:33:33,439
hurrying it along within the next two or

4234
02:33:37,590 --> 02:33:35,520
three months thank you so much bruce

4235
02:33:40,389 --> 02:33:37,600
fascinating conversation and i highly

4236
02:33:43,670 --> 02:33:40,399
recommend both books i just finished

4237
02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:43,680
hybrid humans and it was just absolutely

4238
02:33:48,950 --> 02:33:46,240
amazing and this conversation tonight i

4239
02:33:51,190 --> 02:33:48,960
can't wait to continue it with you thank

4240
02:33:53,030 --> 02:33:51,200
you so much bruce and and be safe out

4241
02:33:56,790 --> 02:33:53,040
there thank you very much

4242
02:33:59,670 --> 02:33:56,800
bruce r fenton again both links for

4243
02:34:01,830 --> 02:33:59,680
bruce and his wife daniella fenton are

4244
02:34:04,750 --> 02:34:01,840
at jimmychurchradio.com that's bruce

4245
02:34:07,270 --> 02:34:04,760
fenton.info and

4246
02:34:11,910 --> 02:34:07,280
hybridhumans.net you can follow bruce on

4247
02:34:17,429 --> 02:34:15,429
and that concludes another episode of

4248
02:34:19,830 --> 02:34:17,439
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4249
02:34:22,630 --> 02:34:19,840
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4250
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4252
02:34:30,630 --> 02:34:28,000
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4254
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4255
02:34:38,429 --> 02:34:35,520
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02:34:44,150 --> 02:34:42,000
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4260
02:34:50,309 --> 02:34:48,479
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4261
02:34:52,230 --> 02:34:50,319
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4264
02:34:59,030 --> 02:34:56,080
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4265
02:35:01,750 --> 02:34:59,040
now at j church radio i want to remind

4266
02:35:03,830 --> 02:35:01,760
everyone tomorrow night right here

4267
02:35:07,270 --> 02:35:03,840
psychic and medium

4268
02:35:09,910 --> 02:35:07,280
karen reese and yes we will be taking

4269
02:35:12,870 --> 02:35:09,920
your phone calls until tomorrow night i

4270
02:35:14,910 --> 02:35:12,880
want everybody to be safe

4271
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:14,920
go back lee tappy

4272
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:15,600
[Applause]

4273
02:35:32,479 --> 02:35:36,620
wow

4274
02:35:36,630 --> 02:35:44,950
[Music]

4275
02:35:55,710 --> 02:35:46,170
so